morality and the globalized consumer landscape
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:17 (twelve years ago) link
man I'm so w/deej here on a lot of this stuff it's not even funny
ppl who are always griefing about "oh no, self-righteousness, what could be worse than self-rightousness" are 10,000x worse than people who're trying to spread some good either through discussion or action and who come off a little self-righteous - worrying about whether somebody comes off wrong in the pursuit of good is like complaining that the person who helped raise a barn was wearing the wrong kind of shoes
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
barns are v. inefficient living spaces
― iatee, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:33 (twelve years ago) link
j0hn we have a new thread morality and the globalized consumer landscape totally ready for some self righteous jerks to post inside of
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
no iatee I meant barn in the swedish sense of the word, my bad
― pathos of the unwarranted encore (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Thursday, September 29, 2011 11:33 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark
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― rustic italian flatbread, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
yeah except I don't think anyone is going to quit doing coke because they didn't consider what the source was
I mean you can condescend on people who drive SUVs or eat too much red meat or whatever, the point is the change really has to come at a larger level so this discussion is kinda useless
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
it's condescend to
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:57 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I don't know what I was thinking there
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:58 (twelve years ago) link
this thread makes me want to barf like 800x over
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 September 2011 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
cosigh
― rustic italian flatbread, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:04 (twelve years ago) link
good point you guys
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:05 (twelve years ago) link
I'm contemptuous of the smug entitlement to euphoria of many first-world cocaine users but i think the desire for said euphoria is pretty ubiquitous and I'm equally contemptuous of the patriarchal desire to forbid something as simple to grow and make as cocaine; the forbidding is what has jacked the price and that's more the root of the evil as anything else.
― What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:12 (twelve years ago) link
good point you guysno really, thank you.
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh come on there's a little enjoyment to be had in the fact that a thread about drugs turned into a 200 post stoned dorm room bullshit marathon with two guys talking past each other for hours at like 2 am.
― strongo hulkington's ghost dad, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:17 (twelve years ago) link
i think the whole "well i'm suspicious about the motives and/or superiority complex of anti-drug/anti-drug violence crusaders and also most of you guys eat cow" is an interesting way to analyze in terms of human psychology but i'm also suspicious of that argument being used as a method to distract from the points being raised, cf. al gore warning about climate change and right-wingers pointing the finger at his private jet and all "btw didn't you claim to invent the internet?" most def the history of anti-drug (and alcohol) movements are filled with puritanical and iron-fisted creeps who like to feel morally superior so it's an understandable take. i agree w/ aerosmith's second-to-last post, basically.
― omar little, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:19 (twelve years ago) link
So anthropocentric!
― What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
Maybe we shoud give the cocaine to the cows. How does that parse ethically?
― What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
Like, would you eat veal if you knew that cow had been high to the gills his entire life?
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:24 (twelve years ago) link
And would you eat a cow that had gills. ~think about it~
nope, sorry -- sounds more like a symptom of the problem more than anything else. way to get distracted. at least i can honestly say that i have contacted a legislator directly about this issue and raised awareness. i am not a morally superior puritan or an iron-fisted creep btw.
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:25 (twelve years ago) link
xp You prob already are, don't tomatoes already have fish DNA in them?
― Octavia Butler's gonna be piiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiised (Laurel), Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:26 (twelve years ago) link
bingo bingo gringo
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:27 (twelve years ago) link
al gore's kinda dipshit when it comes to this stuff, tbh. ~pr matters~ and he knew that enough to...make a movie. now that he's the public face of something - which was entirely voluntary - of course he's going to be the easiest person to call out for hypocrisy. if you want to be the world's spokesperson w/r/t global warming, you should probably play the part.
― iatee, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:28 (twelve years ago) link
i think accusing folks who feel certain ways about drugs of wanting to feel morally superior is a pretty nice political tactic but doesn't really change the core issue.
― omar little, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:29 (twelve years ago) link
you see my point though xp
the lesson here is grow your own drugs
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:30 (twelve years ago) link
I'm contemptuous of the smug entitlement to euphoria of many first-world cocaine users
I think this has been pointed out before but it's really not their fault the whole industry is so corrupt and violent.
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:32 (twelve years ago) link
'our fault' you mean?
― iatee, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:34 (twelve years ago) link
that's some serious razzle dazzle iatee
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:36 (twelve years ago) link
are all of your racist outbreaks just cocaine binges?
― iatee, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:37 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/2/popcorn_2.gif
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 29 September 2011 16:41 (twelve years ago) link
btw,
http://www.thestranger.com/binary/98a1/Feature1-570.jpg
― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 29 September 2011 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
It rots your flesh!
― rustic italian flatbread, Thursday, 29 September 2011 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
cool now i dont have to worry abt worms
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 17:28 (twelve years ago) link
THAT is an excellent reason not to do blow
― What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 29 September 2011 17:29 (twelve years ago) link
just snort levamisole directly, it doesn't support murder and gets you equally fucked up
― frogbs, Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:20 (twelve years ago) link
then the cartels will just move into trafficking levamisole
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 29 September 2011 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
Rereading last nights argument I still don't get jho's perspective here.
― sorry for party blogging (D-40), Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:06 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/cnYOi.jpg
― ice cr?m, Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:28 (twelve years ago) link
A paramilitary group called Mata-Zetas in Veracruz
(en frances)
― What does one wear to a summery execution? Linen? (Michael White), Thursday, 29 September 2011 19:42 (twelve years ago) link
Better than cocaineThis thread dispute between Nate and Trife resembles two hearty, healthy young chimps sparringa) for territoryb) to see which of them is more maturec) to see which can get the protection of 'the elders', sitting nearby chewing on twigs while being deloused by females.
Nate mentions cocaine, Trife steps into the clearing with a challenge that he has experienced neither the white powder nor, in fact, sexual intercourse (staking a claim to seniority by implying that he has already sampled both). Nate appeals to the elders to expel the aggressor but is met with indifference. Trife chases him into the brush with the cry 'eat my ass you clueless cum bubble'. As literature or evidence of intelligent life on earth, zero. A mark added for Trife's assonance and alliteration: 'ass' and 'clueless' have alliterative endings, 'clueless' and 'cum' alliterative beginnings, and 'cum bubble' is a nice piece of assonance. For humanity, though, bathos and probable deletion. 1
― Momus (Momus), Sunday, September 28, 2003
^^ the most vicious drug war on ILX
― funk master friendly (moonship journey to baja), Thursday, 29 September 2011 20:00 (twelve years ago) link
i think icey has been p otm here. i don't think he's really hung up on 'self-righteousness'; in the context of this thread, I think that these 'cocaine as consumer choice' derails come across as a bunch of ppl thinking they're fighting the cartel by choosing not to do a bunch of coke that they were not going to do anyways...? i don't think icey is out of line by thinking that may not be the most meaningful response to the situation at hand.
at the same time, omar is right; cocaine use should be subject to not only legal but social censure, and should be drained of every last drop of countercultural frisson so that it can be seen as the terrorists' wares that it is. but it feels like the official stance of this thread is that cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it: you don't have to be obsessed with self-righteousness to see that this might be a wee bit incoherent...
anyways: so yeah, Rick Perry...
― revelatory juxtaposition there, bro (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
You may as well continue hunting at a place called Niggerhead. It's not like you staying at home is going to stop racism or anything.
― Pleasant Plains, Monday, 3 October 2011 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
wait a second
cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it
i agree with the first part, but not necessarily the second. where are you getting that? speaking for myself, that has never been what i had in mind w/r/t political abstention.
― Art Arfons (La Lechera), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
but it feels like the official stance of this thread is that cocaine should be legal, and that nobody should use it: you don't have to be obsessed with self-righteousness to see that this might be a wee bit incoherent...
this is misleading. the 'official stance' if there is one (there isn't) would be 'cocaine should be legal, nobody should use it until it's legal'
― iatee, Monday, 3 October 2011 17:30 (twelve years ago) link
cokestrawmanning
― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:35 (twelve years ago) link
iatee: plenty of examples itt of ppl conveying skepticism of the eventual legality of cocaine, so I don't feel at all bad with leaving out the 'until...' part
LL: iatee otm about there being no 'official stance'; that was my way of saying overall it seems that everybody agrees that coke should be legal, but that in the last few hundred posts, it seems that there is a majority in agreement that using coke makes you a bad person. you weren't one of the people agreeing with this; I didn't mean to include you in that. I should've been more clear.
PP: read the whole post, dude.
― revelatory juxtaposition there, bro (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 3 October 2011 17:40 (twelve years ago) link
plenty of examples itt of ppl conveying skepticism that people will stop doing cocaine too
― iatee, Monday, 3 October 2011 17:42 (twelve years ago) link