Defend the really indefensible: the Nazis

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I did not look hot as a nazi.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

Where hot = sexy rather than 'at too high a temperature'.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago) link

We shot on the hottest weekend of July. It was evil in that woolen uniform.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

Without Nazis, "The Sound Of Music" would never have been written.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:20 (twenty years ago) link

What?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

Without Nazis, "The Sound Of Music" would never have been written.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:21 (twenty years ago) link

If the nazis had never existed I woudln't have got to play one ina short film last summer and the director woudln';t have won an award for it being the best short film made by a Devon director last year.

Can't see the director saying, "Thank the Nazi regime for my this award", if he/she ever plans to make another.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:22 (twenty years ago) link

Neither can I, actually.

I still have no idea what Dan Perry means.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

Without Nazis, "The Sound Of Music" would never have been written.

Goebbels tiptoeing through the daisies with the Sisters? There's a blockbuster screaming to be made.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago) link

The Sound of Music is about Nazis, at least tangentially. Haven't you ever seen the Sound of Music, Nick?

Allyzay, Monday, 12 January 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

Nope.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:27 (twenty years ago) link

I had to sing one of the songs at school when I was about 10, and I swore to myself it would never make me suffer again.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:28 (twenty years ago) link

Well, ok, basically the entire end of the movie is about them trying to escape from the Nazis who are trying to strong arm the singing father dude into working for them since he's some kind of really supa gay decorated military guy. It's a stupid movie and quite frankly I never thought of it the way Dan put it forth; the Nazis really truly were sick and evil if they are responsible for this. Seriously though, the last hour of that movie is Nazis and nunneries and singing.

BTW Nichole was that joke meant to be funny?

Allyzay, Monday, 12 January 2004 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

Also, I got to portray a guy who disapproved of the Nazis but was willing to live in a country controlled by them in high school. I was told by many (kind and sheltered) parents that they didn't buy casting a black person in that role at first, but my portrayal made them buy into the idea that a black man could have survived in Nazi Austria.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:34 (twenty years ago) link

Nazis in uniting Nick and Dan in dramatic excellence shock?

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

Not that I was excellent.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:35 (twenty years ago) link

i'm a nazi schatze, feed me kosher salami

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

Dude, I sang and danced and everything! Nazis made my theatre career.

Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

tanzen! singen! und alles Spass!!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:37 (twenty years ago) link

if there were no nazis, there would have never been kraftwerk

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

und strudl

Eisbär (llamasfur), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:38 (twenty years ago) link

Actually you'd probably be quite interested in the film, Dan. John Sealey, the director, is a local black film-maker and academic (he's doing a PhD at the uni I work at), and it was a take on the traditional 'escape from POW camp' movie given a Bunuel-ian slant at the end, in which the main protagonist was a black french solider who was left behind when his Polish/Russian fellow POWs escaped down a tunnel and it collapsed, forcing him to find an alternative escape; which he did by dressing in the Nazi commandant's uniform and walking out the gate past the guards. I was a guard on the gate who he asked for a match on his way out. Needless to say, the image of a black guy in full Nazi regalia was a bit fucking shocking.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

Mainly cos it was too big for him and his hat kept falling off until we sellotaped it to his head.

Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Monday, 12 January 2004 20:41 (twenty years ago) link

Many companies sold their products to Hitler and apparently IBM "maintained a strategic alliance with the Third Reich in which it licensed, maintained and custom-designed its products for use in the machinery of the Holocaust."
Is "sharing the blame" count for a defense?

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 12 January 2004 21:03 (twenty years ago) link

I was told by many (kind and sheltered) parents that they didn't buy casting a black person in that role at first, but my portrayal made them buy into the idea that a black man could have survived in Nazi Austria.

Scary when black men have an easier time with Hitler and co and they would in the (then) segregated South.

Nichole Graham (Nichole Graham), Monday, 12 January 2004 21:06 (twenty years ago) link

do these guys defend the Nazis?

http://dc.indymedia.org/media/all/display/17011/index.php?limit_start=24

don weiner, Monday, 12 January 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago) link

The guy made a photoshop adaptation of Godwin's Law without knowing it.

Sébastien Chikara (Sébastien Chikara), Monday, 12 January 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

There wouldn't be a Cabaret without the Nazis.

tokyo rosemary (rosemary), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:51 (twenty years ago) link

I'm very interested in the rhetorical device that the Nazis have become, or even ideological. I mean the sense that in argument or debate, nazism is seen as the absolute evil, it overrides logic in some sense, because an absolute evil does not run parallel to logical argument really. But then again does it? The Nazis are widely considered to have been the biggest evil of all time.

Has anything good been written about this?

Ronan (Ronan), Monday, 12 January 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

There wouldn't have been a To Be Or Not To Be without the Nazis. But if given a choice...

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Monday, 12 January 2004 23:01 (twenty years ago) link

Hitler made those ridiculous little moustaches a complete no-no. Thanks Adolf!

Charles Dexter (Holey), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 01:57 (twenty years ago) link

I think not.

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A lady gets a lotta things
She gets a 20 carat ring
She gets the alimony too
She gets to look good in the nude
But there's one place where they've been whipped
Between the nose and upper lip

M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
One hundred hairs make a man

I tried a handlebar design
My Fu Manchu was real fine
My Ronald Colman made 'em blink
My Pancho Villa made 'em think
But when I trimmed 'em real small
My Jewish friends would never call

M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
One hundred hairs make a man

They call me sir, and that ain't bad
Sometimes they think that I'm my Dad
And women flirt and you can bet
They like that tickle that they get
The only time I feel bad
Is when the guess the lunch I've had

M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
M-M-M-M-M-M Moustache
One hundred hairs make a man

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 02:36 (twenty years ago) link

Not a defense of the Nazis, but of Dr. Porsche: That Tatra article is pretty ambiguously written -- since they collaborated early and often, the folks at Tatra may just have well have been ripping off Porsche's ideas.

Defense of the Nazis: Some of the architecture was amazing, and built to last forever.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 09:20 (twenty years ago) link

Did any of you Brits see that "Nazi Grand Prix" show on Channel 4 last night? They sure had some spiffy cars - those early Auto-Union (now Audi) and Mercedes were mucho sexy.

And yeah, those SS uniforms were pretty smart (designed by Hugo Boss, BTW).

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 09:35 (twenty years ago) link

The Nazis also invented Fanta (official soft drink of the Third Reich, fact fans), and I really like Fanta.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:21 (twenty years ago) link

Really? Man, I loved grape Fanta as a kid.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:24 (twenty years ago) link

Triumph Of The Will, and the Berlin games film.

Jonathan Z., Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:24 (twenty years ago) link

"The Nazis" didn't invent Fanta, but the German Coca-Cola contract bottler (who I think was a Party member) invented it after the Government banned Coke.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:30 (twenty years ago) link

I did dress up for one girlfriend as a German soldier, and it seemed to help the sex. (I got the uniform down a local historical military junkshop place. But I like to think I wasn't so much a Nazi as a rank-and-file soldier, which is why I had a helmet instead of a peaked cap. And when I whipped her, I only did so gently.

R the V (Jake Proudlock), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 10:54 (twenty years ago) link

They made the trains run on time!

MikeB, Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:25 (twenty years ago) link

That was Mussolini (who deserves his own thread).

sym (shmuel), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:28 (twenty years ago) link

"They made the trains run on time"

Given what they used the trains for, perhaps this wasn't the greatest thing.

Jonathan Z., Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago) link

"Hitler Was A Sensitive Man"

HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN

HE WENT TO ART SCHOOL WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER
HE WANTED TO BE A PAINTER
HITLER WAS A VEGETARIAN
HE WAS ALSO A NON SMOKER

HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN

HE HIRED GAY AND HANDICAPPED OFFICERS
HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OVERPOPULATION
IF HITLER WAS ALIVE TODAY
HE'D LISTENED TO THE CURE, THE SMITHS, AND DEPECHE MODE

HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN
HITLER WAS A SENSITIVE MAN

DJ Mencap (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

Without the Nazis, Indie never woulda hooked back up with Marian and obtained the Head Piece to the Staff of Ra, thus uncovering the Ark of the Covenant.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 13:03 (twenty years ago) link

Without WWII America wouldn't have grown so rich. Hence all you fat Yankees have got lots to thank Adolf for.

Charles Dexter (Holey), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 20:26 (twenty years ago) link

I mean, say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 21:47 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.horrordvds.com/reviews/a-m/ilsa-wolf/ilsa-wolf_fl.jpg

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 22:55 (twenty years ago) link

And let that be that. What a shit thread. Nothing to defend.

C-Man (C-Man), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 22:56 (twenty years ago) link

do you reckon if there had been no third reich Ilsa would have been set in the Napoleonic Wars?

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 23:12 (twenty years ago) link

ILSA STALIN'S SHE-WOLF

Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 January 2004 23:20 (twenty years ago) link

this dude is trolling using his own kids

the stickup man from the gripping "wire" television show (omar little), Wednesday, 17 December 2008 02:04 (fifteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...

what's up with all these terrible-looking nazi movies lately?

good
defiance
the boy in striped pajamas
the reader
valkyrie
...more?

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

schindlers list, am i right

eman cipation s1ocklamation (max), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:01 (fifteen years ago) link

i mean like in the last 6 months. nazis are so hot right now.

Tracy Michael Jordan Catalano (Jordan), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:03 (fifteen years ago) link

Well, this is from an impeccably left-wing source, Alex Cockburn:

http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn01102004.html

― Enrique (Enrique), Monday, January 12, 2004 5:42 PM (4 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^^^ lol young idiot

Jordan Sarging (Brohan Hari), Friday, 2 January 2009 18:04 (fifteen years ago) link

As Jesus said, "I am here but a little while; the Nazis you shall always have with you."

Aimless, Friday, 2 January 2009 18:14 (fifteen years ago) link

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/01/01/man_shot_by_police_was_german

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=18028385

Dressing up as a Nazi and firing blanks on NYE is a good way to get killed apparently.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 18:38 (fifteen years ago) link

I get "D'oh! 404 Error We're sorry; the page you're looking for does not exist." on yr first link :(

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 January 2009 19:20 (fifteen years ago) link

http://slog.thestranger.com/seattle/Home

should be top story

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:23 (fifteen years ago) link

the story got reposted so the permalink should be /01/02 instead of 01/01 but whatever

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:31 (fifteen years ago) link

Thanks. The date has changed to 2009/01/02 on the URL, that's why it wasn't working. xpost :)

I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE UP TO (Colonel Poo), Friday, 2 January 2009 19:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Goal You Would Like To Achieve This Year: Don't die

Its getting darker!!!!!!!!!! (clotpoll), Friday, 2 January 2009 19:36 (fifteen years ago) link

Some of them had very nice haircuts.

Pain don't hurt. (Pillbox), Friday, 2 January 2009 20:43 (fifteen years ago) link

two years pass...

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2011/0107/breaking57.html

Hitler-mocking dog 'enraged Nazis'

all i gotta do is akh nachivly (darraghmac), Friday, 7 January 2011 16:55 (thirteen years ago) link

they were pretty stylin' tbf.

carles II of spain (max arrrrrgh), Friday, 7 January 2011 18:39 (thirteen years ago) link

Well, many of them were wearing Hugo Boss.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Friday, 7 January 2011 19:09 (thirteen years ago) link

Certainly a fave concert for me was in the winter months leading up to the Gulf War II, Grant Hart was performing a pitiful dive bar in Chicago and started his set by saying, "at least the Nazi's had cool uniforms" - I think I was the only one laughing ...

BlackIronPrison, Friday, 7 January 2011 22:32 (thirteen years ago) link

six years pass...

In Trump's defense, in the thirties the US government did believe there were "moderate" Nazis, who were led by Hitler pic.twitter.com/BqSIUcOdnI

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) August 15, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 11:57 (six years ago) link

reasonable adolf hitler

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:02 (six years ago) link

Hitler was quite a progressive in terms of animal welfare, just not much of a "people person".

calzino, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:12 (six years ago) link

the "radical" wing referred to is i assume the strasserite wing* of the nazi party, which was ostensibly hostile to capitalism and advocated the toppling of business and social elites: part of the (all too successful) purpose of the night of the long knives -- a manifestation of the "very definite struggle: referred to -- for hitler was to purge this wing and make himself more acceptable to orthodox conservatives and business leaders (gregor strasser was murdered in the NofLK) (his brother otto -- arguably more the architect of this line of thinking? -- was more ambivalent abt the party, only joining in 1925 and expelled in 1930, it which point he fled germany for czechoslovakia)

this fragment of US analysis does more or less channel the (wildly mistaken) position that von papen and von hindenberg took in 1933, that they would be the puppetmasters controlling hitler

*(both wings were of course committed to mystical nationalism and anti-semitism; and both wings were violent, too; i suppose you could argue the hitlerite wing was more treacherously effective in this instance, but i don't see that that lets strasserism off the hook)

mark s, Wednesday, 16 August 2017 12:23 (six years ago) link


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