Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D

The 72 box is ridiculous.

I mean, you can make a case for the Dead as one of the top three greatest American bands using these shows as evidence.

how many discs is the box?
also, can i borrow it.

There is a palpable sense of some higher presence/consciousness on some Dead boots. I think I was listening to "Not Fade Away" from the London set that I became aware.
They're the only ones, etc.

"more than 60 CDs"

xp tyler I think it's like 40 discs, and of course I didn't shell out the $500 for it - who the hell would? Anyway, it's OOP as a set already. But I've found it via unscrupulous means (you can too!) - I'm five shows in right now. All good, even the weird cafeteria show in Aarhus, 4/16/72.

The original, limited box set was 72 discs, but for some reason the newer, less fancy version you can buy is quoted at "more than 60 CDs".

Nah, they've repressed a sparser version with none of the fancy trimming to buy.

lol @ "more than 60 CDs."
can't even be bothered to count, man. just a lot of discs, ok?

grateful dead die hards are nuts, though, right? a 72-disc set for $450 that sells out pretty much immediately? kaching.

I had friend in High School that would listen to nothing but fucking boot tapes. Road trips got boring quick.

lol @ 'sparser version' - only $450.

Thats actually the same price as the full version, they didn't want to piss off all those people that paid for the original by suddenly offering the same damn thing with less artwork for significantly cheaper (can't say I blame 'em, tbh).

14-minute sugaree on this winterland 77 thing is killlller. the dead!

I've never heard a bad "Sugaree." Ditto "Loser."

on to "europe vol. 2" now...a dead kind of day. I can probably live with four discs worth of highlight from this tour. OR CAN I.

i actually prefer the Dick's Picks #3 Florida show from the same month/year - not only do you get a stunning 15 minute Sugaree but also a great Help on the Way>Slipknot>Franklin's Tower and, in the second set, Eyes of the World>Wharf Rat>Terrapin Station>Morning Dew. mmmm.

I was reading this thread waiting for someone to post this. Dick's Picks 3 is the JAM. Along with One From The Vault, probably my favorite live Dead.

Can someone give me a recommendation as to the Dick's Pick (or easily available bootleg) with best Help>Slipknot>Franklin's Tower?

Thanks.

― Randy Moss' dog's personal chef (Bill Magill), Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:27 PM (9 months ago) Bookmark

Look no further - this show. This is my favorite suite of tunes too and this one smokes. The "Slipknot!" is mindblowing.

xp Never heard a bad "Black-Throated Wind," even though they're all pretty similar.

There is a palpable sense of some higher presence/consciousness on some Dead boots. I think I was listening to "Not Fade Away" from the London set that I became aware.
They're the only ones, etc

Hey, there's a reason people followed this band around... it wasn't just the songs themselves, there was this strange, trance-like groupmind thing that occured at shows (and actually still does). Rave kind of had a similar dynamic actually.

"on to "europe vol. 2" now...a dead kind of day. I can probably live with four discs worth of highlight from this tour. OR CAN I."

Hundred Year Hall, Rockin the Rhein and Steppin' Out with the Grateful Dead are both multitrack releases from the same tour. Hundred Year Hall is pretty much a complete show, Steppin' Out is kind of a best of the dates in England (with I think one track from Holland) and Rockin the Rhein is a compilation from the other shows in Germany withe a couple of Pigpen features from England. I don't think any of the tracks on these three duplicate with now what is on the two volumes of Europe 72. Add it up, there is quite a bit already out there from that tour.

They are also going to put out the individual shows from the tour outside the box.

I think you can look at that particular version of the Dead and pretty much call it a zenith point. Pigpen was still around to do the raveups and you got a bit of organ and piano on some tunes, which was a cool mix. They had a piano player that could go out, but was much more honky tonk and fit better on the cowboy tunes. Phil still sang, while not a great singer, it added to the country tunes like He's Gone. Donna was a featured player instead of singing through the whole set. They only had one drummer, so on a lot of tunes, it's just tighter and swings more, especially on the rootsy numbers. The guitar tones also hadn't turned into that super clean no bite tone on both guitars, which too me, I don't really like on later Dead music.

A friend sent me four discs of the complete 4-disc boot of Jersey City 8/6/74 with great annotation and I have to say '74, just on the evidence of this show, might be an underpraised year. They come outta the gate really hard on this show and there's a Seastones interlude that's really pretty out - whole show is tremendous although the opening Bertha/Mexicali Blues/Don't Ease Me In/Beat It Down the Line/Jack Straw is just so good. Shoot, even "Eyes of the World" is pretty good, and I don't like that song much at all.

Hey, there's a reason people followed this band around... it wasn't just the songs themselves, there was this strange, trance-like groupmind thing that occured at shows (and actually still does).

which shows do you mean on the "actually still does" bit - which acts? b/c I will go to these shows. unless it's Ratdog, I don't care for the Ratdog I've heard.

well I couldn't vouch for the quality of the music necessarily, but I guess I was still experiencing the "magic" at the Phil and Friends shows and even Other Ones shows... and I assume with Further the whole phenomenon is still happening... that was always the point of it all, that acid-test group-ritual thing

which is what I mean by magic btw... not as metaphor for it being a particularly high-quality show musically, but rather that the band and audience would literally create this kind of ritual space by vibing off each other, sending energy back and forth. in a way, the band was always beyond "coolness" or conventional conceptions of taste because the focus within the scene was always more on the energy, it's a self-contained world

and Rockin the Rhein is a compilation from the other shows in Germany withe a couple of Pigpen features from England. I don't think any of the tracks on these three duplicate with now what is on the two volumes of Europe 72. Add it up, there is quite a bit already out there from that tour.

RtR is a complete single German show, Düsseldorf 4/24/72, plus two songs from London, 5/24/72. Definitely compares favorably with Europe '72, despite a dodgy moment or two (forgetting to play the bridge of "He's Gone," for instance).

Pro tip: The 2-disc Europe '72: Volume II is $9.99 at Best Buy right now.

Listening to 3/24/90 this morning (part of which became Dozin' At The Knick.) I visited a Deadhead friend out east and told him I wasn't much of a fan of the band, but to pick out something to change my mind. The unbroken Playin'> Uncle John> Terrapin> Mind Left Body was his choice, and I gotta say, the fusion/prog elements of that era were a big surprise to me.

I actually like Dozin' At The Knick, thats a weird era, but it hits some sweet spots for me.

Just listening to "Drums" on that now, which is really spacy.

It is, one of my favorite "Drums".

Pro tip: The 2-disc Europe '72: Volume II is $9.99 at Best Buy right now.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, October 4, 2011 10:17 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

What is on this?

Disc One:
1. Bertha – Tivolis Koncertsal,Copenhagen (4/14/72)
2. Me and My Uncle – Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley (4/7/72)
3. Chinatown Shuffle – Tivolis Koncertsal, Copenhagen (4/14/72)
4. Sugaree – Olympia Theatre, Paris (5/3/72)
5. Beat It On Down the Line – Theatre Hall, Luxembourg (5/16/72)
6. Loser – Tivolis Koncertsal, Copenhagen (4/14/72)
7. Next Time You See Me – Olympia Theatre, Paris (5/4/72)
8. Black-Throated Wind – Tivolis Koncertsal, Copenhagen (4/14/72)
9. Dire Wolf – Jahrhundert Halle, Frankfurt (4/26/72)
10. Greatest Story Ever Told – Olympia Theatre, Paris (5/3/72)
11. Deal – Olympia Theatre, Paris (5/4/72)
12. Good Lovin’ – Jahrhundert Halle, Frankfurt (4/26/72)
13. Playing In the Band – StrandLyceum, London (5/24/72)

Disc Two:
1. Dark Star > – Bickershaw Festival, Wigan (5/7/72)
2. Drums > – Bickershaw Festival, Wigan (5/7/72)
3. The Other One > – BickershawFestival, Wigan (5/7/72)
4. Sing Me Back Home – Strand Lyceum, London (5/26/72)
5. Not Fade Away > – Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley (4/7/72)
6. Goin’ Down the Road Feeling Bad > – Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley (4/7/72)
7. Not Fade Away – Wembley Empire Pool, Wembley (4/7/72)

Thanks.

sounded rad on spotify yesterday...$9.99 eh? even though i hate the place, with the dead and the floyd at such reasonable rates, i am going to have to schedule a trip to best buy.

Floyd no longer at $9.99; just checked the other day, the remasters are $11.99 now.

>:O

They must have juuuuust changed the price with today's new releases because they were still $9.99 last night. The price tags say $11.99 though.

Wow...I'm a doofus, because I resignedly picked up More, Obscured By Clouds, and Meddle thinking they were $11.99 each, but the total rang up to the $9.99 price. Sorry, disregard above.

:D

I've felt the hippie group mind at a few overnight bluegrass type festivals a little over a decade ago. One of those weekends was probably the best weekend of my life

Listening to these Europe '72 shows I'm pleasantly surprised at how together the vocals are (supposedly they were thought to be too rough for release, hence the overdubs on Europe '72)...then I hit the first "Jack Straw" (Newcastle, 4/11/72). Dudes, pick a fucking harmony note and stay with it.

Is that because you can now hear Donna Godchaux in the mix? Cuz you cant hear her at all on Europe '72, at least not that I can tell. She's kind of a harmony-killer.

Nope, she only appears on "Playin' In The Band" and maybe one other song.

Ugh, Donna-bashing. Sigh. I'll never tire of the irony of Deadheads who've been listening to Bobby and Jerry croak along for years complaining that Donna Jean, who once sang backup for Elvis, "can't sing."

Im not bashing her. I actually like the period she was in the band the best. But she can be a little screechy.

I don't mind her so much, except for that "whoooaaAAOOAAA YEAaAaAHHhh Ah HAY YAAAYAAaAaAaaa" thing she always did coming out of the long jam in Playin'

Ye gods, the dead. Years ago a workmate pushed a tape on me, his best of. I was open minded. Closed my mind ever since.

The "Truckin'" on Dick's Picks Vol. 1 (Tampa, 73) sounds like Loaded-era Velvets, but with better guitar players.

I've found '73 to be hit-or-miss. I love the Denver Road Trips set, but couldn't make it through all of the Winterland box. Maybe they were at their laziest when playing to SF audiences or something.

Maybe they were at their laziest when playing to SF audiences or something.

cannot concur. I got a partial Winterland '70 set this week that's among the best Dead I've ever heard - St. Stephen swinging for the fences, Dark Star in full bloom

have to agree w this^