BET Hip-Hop Awards 2011 Cyphers With DJ Premier

dude has some charisma too

was also impressed w/ kendrick, and eminem is still just an incredible force. when you see stuff like that you understand why everyone falls over themselves to call him one of the all-time greatest

did not enjoy yelawolf, per usual

what was Eminem even talking about

Big KRIT's verse was very dope

getting a tracy morgan vibe from busta 2k11

yeah i swear busta's 'verse' went on for like 5 minutes

everyone itt = three years late in fawning over BET awards cyphers

get back at me when you get up on fab rhyming sarah palin with parasailin'

lol yeah Busta was good but I was like "wait this is way longer than everyone else's"

Busta looks 60 and 300 pounds. Em looks dead and 100 pounds.

get back at me when you get up on fab rhyming sarah palin with parasailin'

― yung huma (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:24 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha <3 jordy

in any even these were pretty okay I guess, i really liked 2 chaaaainz, he had a good mix of dopey NY punchlines ("my credit card is black and proud" !!) and laid back southern swagger. and the MMG one was pretty good, if only for meek mill shouting out gunplay

slaughterhouse one was obv the worse for having the worst smug rappers.

busta needs to give it a rest -- sitcom dad OTM

everyone itt = three years late in fawning over BET awards cyphers

oh hi dere thread police as i've heard the other ones (they were usually just posted in the rolling threads), am i allowed to also enjoy this years ones or do i have to be jaded by it all too?

they really missed the boat on not giving riff raff his own 6 min block -- the only true freestyler in the game

meek mill was def the best in the maybach music cipher. pill was typically lame

well ross was the best but obv that goes w/o saying

meek mill was good... but it's not exactly the best venue for his raps

stalley's verse was cool

and whoever Lacrae is, I liked his verse iirc

blind guy lol

i dont think ross was the best at all!

thought whoever did a played out stevie wonder / shades line after the blind guy was pretty crass

yeh kendrick has style

oh yeah i forgot tech n9ne was dope too

^^^

don't know why anyone gives Rick Ross the time of day, personally. can't stand the dude.

hes an ok rapper but he releases great songs. 'im a boss' will be in my top ten this year, shit sounds so good when it comes on the radio. its like a jolt of caffein

caffeine

ross is one of the best rappers out right now and he can actually get an album out w/ no bullshit, which puts him in the class of like... five rappers

he can actually get an album out w/ no bullshit

not sure what you mean here

do you mean an album that doesn't have any bullshit on it, or an album that is not subject to the usual major label shenanigans

'one of the best rappers out right now' -- cmon dude. one of the best rap artists maybe, but no one is memorizing ross verses

i mean, i dont think he's a bad rapper or anything, hes just a competent one

overall, competent is a good word, i think he makes the most of his talents and has good taste in expensive beats

also he has big titties

i remembered one

eeryday im hustlin
hustlin
hustlin
eeryday im hustlin
something about noriega
he owes me money honest
hustlin
im not a cop srs

i think he makes the most of his talents and has good taste in expensive beats

this seems about right to me - most of the time when I hear his stuff my overall reaction "wow this sounds expensive"

lol a hoy hoy

i mean im happy ross exists -- hes made pop rap good again -- no way would i say hes one of the best rapper-qua-rappers out right now tho

nah I agree with jordan he is one of the best rappers out right now

paints awesome imagery w/ his verses.

but no one is memorizing ross verses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ygruvz2jVY

to answer shakey's question: I mean it in both of those ways (tho i would also classify "9 piece" as bullshit, but in a different way)

As for rapper qua rapper... whatever, I don't particularly feel like splitting hairs in that way atm. Best "rap artist" it w/e is fine with me. Altho plenty of ppl including myself have memorized rick ross verses. He's become a better rapper AND a better artist... rhyming iPhone and cell phone aside, he's not really still the guy from "hustlin". But we've been over this.

I bet "ross is cool" vs "ross is not cool" would split almost directly along "listens to the radio" and "doesn't listen to the radio", ship aside

i kinda like ross at times but he is still hella easy to make fun of.

Yeah he's not switching flows up or killingthe internal rhyme game, but dude found his voice for imagery

He's become a better rapper AND a better artist

do you think he uses a lot of ghost writers? i always kind of assumed he did

i really doubt ross has a ghost writer

I don't know... nozzle (leaving this autocorrect) made the point years ago about soulja boy but it IS possible to just improve as a rapper. The knee jerk assumption of rap fans to be all GHOSTWRITER!!!! when a dude gets better is weird and dispiriting. We all get better (or hope to) at creative pursuits over time, I don't think ross (or lil wayne) is exempt from that.

i could totally see ross having a ghostwriter. or several. not that i think this takes away from how good his songs are

i obvs don't get to listen to rap radio much but when i was in miami (duhh) and california earlier this year rick ross joints sound dope yeah

i didn't hear any of the MMG stuff tho (which is dope) but 'aston martin music' is such a radio banger.

i guess it was always my impression that ghostwriting was way more common than people think, even with rappers that you wouldn't expect to use them

i wonder how far it goes back? i know big daddy kane ghostwrote, he was the first person i really heard it about...until like jay-z and mad skillz made a big deal abt it

I think "Aston Martin Music" is the only Rick Ross song I've heard on the radio here. :/

i wonder how far it goes back?

do you consider Rapper's Delight ghostwritten or just biting

rap stations in chicago move in blocks like -- lil wayne, ross/mmg, drake, waka

i want to live in a-mer-i-ca

i wonder how far it goes back?

do you consider Rapper's Delight ghostwritten or just biting

― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:40 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the old story is that they actually stole grandmaster caz's rhyme book right? though that sounds a little to cute/possibly apocraphyl

maybe the shaky analogy i'm looking for is people freaking out about prince's "while my guitar gently weeps" solo when it's been how many years since a top 10 hit even had a guitar solo -- i mean excitement displays of virtuosity probably gets even stronger when that particular type of skill falls out of favor in popular music

btw did you see the 'drum solo week' on letterman over the summer? shit was pretty wild, just the concept alone. also copeland went ham.

Eminem starting with the fake 90s backpack battle rap is fucking hilarious

hehehehe @ this entire argument

i heard buddens was to shook to battle the based god live on the BET awards

oh yeah b.o.b's was dope, it's too bad he refuses to rap

man gunplay got quoted TWICE in these things, weird

oh chris brown really opened his verse with a boxing metaphor? YOU DON'T SAY

lol @ luda's emphatic "WHOOOOOOO" for 2 chainz' one grocery bag ling

LOL @ his pronounciation of "galifinakis"

maybe the shaky analogy i'm looking for is people freaking out about prince's "while my guitar gently weeps" solo when it's been how many years since a top 10 hit even had a guitar solo -- i mean excitement displays of virtuosity probably gets even stronger when that particular type of skill falls out of favor in popular music

i think that's a good analogy, and just like these freestyles, no one really thinks it would work on the radio. not that people don't want to hear a great verse or a great guitar solo within the context of a hit, but pointed chops showcases like these makes for better internet videos than pop music.

kwame wasn't that bad!

#polkadotswag

just watched the first one and holy shit eminem

my fav so far, of course, is drake

I find the things whiney finds infuriating totally befuddling

as in I guess I am just totally oblivious to them, the pop rap twittersphere, blogfeeds etc

*goes back to hide in cave*

http://www.rap-up.com/2012/10/09/video-bet-hip-hop-awards-2012-cyphers/

wow we had a really long thread about 2011 bet cyphers

longer than chipmunk's forehead

west coast one is fun. i like YG's bit!

asap rocky really embarassing

when isn't he

t.i. standing with iggy azalea, b.o.b and trae in that pic really does underline how deeply bizarre grand hustle is in 2012

i think t.i. leaving dro out of the grand hustle cypher is the final straw for me

grand hustle has forgotten more dope rappers than most labels ever had on their roster

went straight to the West Coast one - Quik cracking me up

Loved the west coast one, way more fun than the others.

After Mac Miller did his thing I was thinking like ehhhh not tooo bad I guess but then Mystikal comes in and just lays waste by shear force.

it was a very good year, cool to see lamar as a dark horse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtWjKdSciA

https://vimeo.com/30509290
^^last great em verse I can think of