BET Hip-Hop Awards 2011 Cyphers With DJ Premier

^^^

don't know why anyone gives Rick Ross the time of day, personally. can't stand the dude.

hes an ok rapper but he releases great songs. 'im a boss' will be in my top ten this year, shit sounds so good when it comes on the radio. its like a jolt of caffein

caffeine

ross is one of the best rappers out right now and he can actually get an album out w/ no bullshit, which puts him in the class of like... five rappers

he can actually get an album out w/ no bullshit

not sure what you mean here

do you mean an album that doesn't have any bullshit on it, or an album that is not subject to the usual major label shenanigans

'one of the best rappers out right now' -- cmon dude. one of the best rap artists maybe, but no one is memorizing ross verses

i mean, i dont think he's a bad rapper or anything, hes just a competent one

overall, competent is a good word, i think he makes the most of his talents and has good taste in expensive beats

also he has big titties

i remembered one

eeryday im hustlin
hustlin
hustlin
eeryday im hustlin
something about noriega
he owes me money honest
hustlin
im not a cop srs

i think he makes the most of his talents and has good taste in expensive beats

this seems about right to me - most of the time when I hear his stuff my overall reaction "wow this sounds expensive"

lol a hoy hoy

i mean im happy ross exists -- hes made pop rap good again -- no way would i say hes one of the best rapper-qua-rappers out right now tho

nah I agree with jordan he is one of the best rappers out right now

paints awesome imagery w/ his verses.

but no one is memorizing ross verses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ygruvz2jVY

to answer shakey's question: I mean it in both of those ways (tho i would also classify "9 piece" as bullshit, but in a different way)

As for rapper qua rapper... whatever, I don't particularly feel like splitting hairs in that way atm. Best "rap artist" it w/e is fine with me. Altho plenty of ppl including myself have memorized rick ross verses. He's become a better rapper AND a better artist... rhyming iPhone and cell phone aside, he's not really still the guy from "hustlin". But we've been over this.

I bet "ross is cool" vs "ross is not cool" would split almost directly along "listens to the radio" and "doesn't listen to the radio", ship aside

i kinda like ross at times but he is still hella easy to make fun of.

Yeah he's not switching flows up or killingthe internal rhyme game, but dude found his voice for imagery

He's become a better rapper AND a better artist

do you think he uses a lot of ghost writers? i always kind of assumed he did

i really doubt ross has a ghost writer

I don't know... nozzle (leaving this autocorrect) made the point years ago about soulja boy but it IS possible to just improve as a rapper. The knee jerk assumption of rap fans to be all GHOSTWRITER!!!! when a dude gets better is weird and dispiriting. We all get better (or hope to) at creative pursuits over time, I don't think ross (or lil wayne) is exempt from that.

i could totally see ross having a ghostwriter. or several. not that i think this takes away from how good his songs are

i obvs don't get to listen to rap radio much but when i was in miami (duhh) and california earlier this year rick ross joints sound dope yeah

i didn't hear any of the MMG stuff tho (which is dope) but 'aston martin music' is such a radio banger.

i guess it was always my impression that ghostwriting was way more common than people think, even with rappers that you wouldn't expect to use them

i wonder how far it goes back? i know big daddy kane ghostwrote, he was the first person i really heard it about...until like jay-z and mad skillz made a big deal abt it

I think "Aston Martin Music" is the only Rick Ross song I've heard on the radio here. :/

i wonder how far it goes back?

do you consider Rapper's Delight ghostwritten or just biting

rap stations in chicago move in blocks like -- lil wayne, ross/mmg, drake, waka

i want to live in a-mer-i-ca

i wonder how far it goes back?

do you consider Rapper's Delight ghostwritten or just biting

― unorthodox economic revenge (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:40 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

the old story is that they actually stole grandmaster caz's rhyme book right? though that sounds a little to cute/possibly apocraphyl

no way ross has a ghostwriter, because every single verse has the same rick ross flow

I dont understand the disconnect that everyone wants Ibiza bloodfart Bruno Mars rap 364 days of the year and then Twitter reliably jizzes their pants on the one day a year when BET lets Chris Brown act like Anticon guys going to Skribblejam.

twitter users and radio listeners are both large groups of people that are not necessarily many of the same people, for one

also who is this 'everyone' you talk of whiney? because fuck off if i understand any of what you just strawmanned.

Not strawmanning anyone in ILX, hoy

Blacks! Twitter! Blacks on twitter!

Man, you guys are paranoid as fuck. I meant like the billion entertainment blogs in my feed but OK

lots of ppl who don't give 2 shits about 90s ny rap in reality understand that it is 'worthy canonized serious music' now the way ppl fetishize dated concepts of 'soul' and thus pay deference to it in writing even if they dont actually know the diff between leaders of the new school & kwame

poor kwame :(

also is there really a 'disconnect' between people who like cheesy pop rap and people who are impressed by chris brown's rapping?

"i closed my eyes and i could swear he was Jermaine Dupri reincarnated...the GOAT!"

some dude will be fucking pedantic about anything

why don't you make a top 40 whiney posts you can be pedantic about and poll them

you know what i meant, al

oops i said my pedantic

i honestly don't know what your original rant "means" really dude, it's easier to make stupid jokes out of it than take it seriously

what does any of this really mean. D-40 feels me tho

My point is there is a machine in place via labels/mags/blogs that says 364 days a year people want shitty pop rap; and then once a year there's this REALLY POPULAR FEATURE on the BET Awards that is literally the only thing anyone knows about the BET awards where everyone acts like backpacker nerdballs and this is supposedly really novel and interesting and thrilling. And it's like, if people like this--WHICH THEY CLEARLY DO--why don't we reward people for rapping all year instead of like drowning everything in dipshitty Alex Da Kid Glee rap and Bruno hooks and hashtags

that's like saying "i see so many people excited on the internet about arcade fire playing on snl, why don't they sell more records than nickelback? it's a conspiracy man"

west coast one is fun. i like YG's bit!

asap rocky really embarassing

when isn't he

t.i. standing with iggy azalea, b.o.b and trae in that pic really does underline how deeply bizarre grand hustle is in 2012

i think t.i. leaving dro out of the grand hustle cypher is the final straw for me

grand hustle has forgotten more dope rappers than most labels ever had on their roster

went straight to the West Coast one - Quik cracking me up

Loved the west coast one, way more fun than the others.

After Mac Miller did his thing I was thinking like ehhhh not tooo bad I guess but then Mystikal comes in and just lays waste by shear force.

it was a very good year, cool to see lamar as a dark horse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtWjKdSciA

https://vimeo.com/30509290
^^last great em verse I can think of