kids' books - SEARCH and DESTROY

Pretty sure Polar Express gave me Santa issues. I kind of have to admire any book where the moral is being a grown-up is the worst like that.

Seriously. The whole vibe of pure innocent kids vs the evil fallen world of adults is just so bogus.

And he can't resist getting a little dig in on his sister, either: "Even my sister began no longer to hear it." "[That was about when she moved in with that jerk Brad. *Fiddles with base of giant model of North Pole which blocks the door, kicks empty Chinese takeout container aside, adjusts greasy Santa hat*]"

This whole thread: looooooooooool

oh man I love Chris Van Allsburg, he's probably my favorite children's picture book author after Seuss. Ignore all the shitty movies made from his material.

S:
the Garden of Abdul Gasazi. My mom had a huge print of this hanging at the end of our hallway when I was a kid: http://westmanfirstgrade.weebly.com/uploads/5/4/1/4/5414993/1294437097.jpg
The Mysteries of Harris Burdick. Not really a story, a collection of different pictures each with a single caption implying much larger stories. I love this kind of thing.
The Wreck of the Zephyr
The Wretched Stone

My mom was a children's librarian, so I have um lots of opinions on this subject...

S: http://www.educatorsoutlet.com/images//products/115217DD.jpg

Myst of Harris Burdick is GREAT but kind of not rly a children's book imo? Not that you shouldn't give it to kids, by any means! It can do no harm and much good. I'm just not sure kids were really its primary audience.

S (special Jewish edition):
http://thetrashcollector.com/ChildrensBooks/BookRabbiAndTheTwentyNineWitches.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VX79afS5-cY/TOU4x0zZyGI/AAAAAAAABVw/1fr22tPB-jg/s1600/own1.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_i20YY4P91p0/TB0W3r8g2nI/AAAAAAAABCQ/lfzZwn200rY/s320/joseph+had+a+little+overcoat.jpg

agree about Mysteries of Harris Burdick - maybe for kids that are on the high side of the audience 8-10 or something

But who'm I to talk, some of my favorite illustrators are the Dillons, and Pish Posh, Said Hieronymous Bosch is almost not kid lit either.

Nancy Willard, the auth of Pish Posh, is quite good I think. The book makes me cry now every time...AND it's gorgeous.

She flees to what appears to be her parent’s house. In the night she is awakened by some of the creatures who hid themselves in her suitcase. They beg her to look after them and the cook says, somewhat plaintively:

“They’re not what I wished for. When women are young

They want curly-haired daughters and raven-haired sons.

In this vale of tears we must take what we’re sent,

Feather, leathery, lovely, or bent.”

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1172031936l/134098.jpg
^^^awesome book by 60s-70s Disney animator

Mercer Mayer's stuff also almost uniformly solid. always thought he did great monsters.

I first saw Mysteries of Harris Burdick and it was all I wanted to talk or think about for at least a week. My obsession had this additional layer of being in awe and in rage at the level of drawing skill. Just one more way it seemed...inhuman! Of course I loved it.

I had a similar obsession with the four weird books in one that is Black and White

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-C4W79kBR3uA/TdRTx8YGYEI/AAAAAAAAAAc/8pWcNvFvi2g/s1600/black.jpg

David Macauley ruled my childhood.

http://www.teachingchildrenphilosophy.org/w/images/Nightmare_cover_250pixels.jpg

is Macauley's that guy with all the meticulous b&w line drawing...?

I mean to say I first saw Harris Burdick in first grade. I was hanging out before school petting the teacher's mice and he showed it to me...it felt like a crazy initiation. Same as in sixth grade when my science teacher had me read "The Veldt."

THE VELDT, WE READ THAT IN JUNIOR GREAT BOOKS

ah yes, I had his "Castle" and a few others... there was one that featured a crazy homeless woman foreseeing the future of urban architecture ("people and stone, people and stone") which has always stuck with me

xp

http://www.lawson.pagebooks.net/lawson_wee_gillis.jpg

Ahem.

http://www.lawson.pagebooks.net/lawson_wee_gillis.jpg

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The story of a teacher who read Blueberries for Sal to her class, who have maybe watched the Discover Channel nature shows a few too many times.

Favorites:
The Color Kittens
Mike Mulligan and the Steam Shovel
All of Eric Carle's fables (Aesop, Hans Christian Anderson, Bros Grimm)

Joseph Had a Little Overcoat!

that book is FANTASTIC!

the ending cracks me up - "which just goes to show you CAN make something out of nothing!" lol

I read this to my daughter in my best old eastern-european Jewish man accent

http://media.iqtoys.co.nz/gallery/the-man-whose-mother-was-a-pirate-gallery-2.jpg

So Sailor Sam went on board with his pirate mother and the sea captain, and a year later someone brought Mr Fat [Sam's Dickensian boss] a green glass bottle with a letter in it.

"Having a wonderful time," the letter read. "Why don't you run off to sea, too?"

And if you want any more moral to the story than this, you must go to sea and find it.

new book by brian selznick called wonderstruck is great

This blog has me constantly searching for children's books everywhere I go: http://www.vintagechildrensbooksmykidloves.com/
I enjoyed finding them but didn't always buy them because I collect too many things already...that was my thought.
Now that there will actually be one in the house to read too, the hunt is on!

Search: Ian Falconer's Olivia books (avoid the TV show tie-ins), anything by Jules Feifer, Mercer Mayer seconded, Alexandra Day's mostly wordless Carl books are fun, Byron Barton's simple books like Trucks, Airport, and Planes go a long way.
Destroy: Richard Scary's Best Storybook Ever, an enormous 300 page collection that my daughter insists only counts as one story. Dora & Diego find their way into my home & my daughter's heart despite my vigilance.

Richard Scary's Best Storybook Ever, an enormous 300 page collection that my daughter insists only counts as one story.

loool I feel for you man

Destroy: BLUEBERRY GIRL - written by Neil Gaiman for Tori Amos's daughter and even worse than that would lead to you expect. Think I have successfully hidden down the back of the bookshelf.
Search: All the Janet and Allan Ahlberg books are great, specially PEEPO! - the illustrations are lovely. I like Lynley Dodd's HAIRY MCLARY books too. But Dr Seuss's SLEEP BOOK is the champ. The page about the unsuccessful zizzerzoof-seed salesmen getting some kip because "that's what's the wonderful nighttime is for" still brings a bit of a tear to the eye.

having just read Polar Express for the first time last night... I dunno what you all are complaining about, it's standard Xmas story silliness

i dig mo willems' visual er vocabulary a lot, his er storytelling

http://www.everypicture.com/shop/books/b96513eeec30207ea4aee49c5895177b/your-best-friend-mw002.jpg

he does churn them out a bit, though; i'd like to see him maybe do a sustained narrative or something

there was a vaguely heartbreaking interview with maurice sendak in the guardian the other day, which made the rest of g2 seem even more like pure disposable shit by contrast

yah DON'T LET THE PIGEON DRIVE THE BUS is great

recently got some book Maurice Sendak illustrated in the 80s and was shocked/appalled that it had all this bullshit about the Christ-child and St. John and various terrible things (wars, etc.) being part of "God's will". Can't fathom how any self-respecting Jew would crank out such shit.

Dear Milli, it's called (a Grimm fairytale, apparently?)

it's standard Xmas story silliness

well yes, but with the MYSTIC CHILDHOOD INNOCENCE dial cranked up to 8 million

http://covers.openlibrary.org/w/id/3044378-L.jpg
http://www.barnowlbooks.com/Images/books/14FootWheel.jpg
etc.

that looks VERY ENGLISH

Very, and Northern (has to be read in a yorkshire accent)

revive!

Do you have Robert Munsch outside of Canada? I've also come to really like Sandra Boynton's books. We go to the library all the time, so I've kind of gotten over being super choosy about what books my oldest daughter gets. She picks whichever three books she wants, and if they're awful there's a built in exit strategy so it's easier to tolerate knowing there's a finite number nights I'll have to them.

don't know robert munsch.
daughter currently loves frog & toad, and I kind of love them too.
http://www.lonestar.edu/departments/libraries/kingwood-library/frog_and_toad.gif

the other one i try to encourage which she really likes is little bear
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2xIkW1rqYnM/TwUyRXTAQlI/AAAAAAAACgU/MTr0ZXH4MZw/s1600/little_bear_maurice_sendak.jpg
it's weird though, i guess there's a bunch more "updated" little bears, which aren't by the same people? even though it says "maurice sendak's little bear" the illustrations are totally different and kinda lame. and sendak didn't even write the original little bears, so that's stranger still.

of course she also loves these horrible things, which I am trying to secretly get rid of
http://cd.pbsstatic.com/l/57/6657/9781577556657.jpg
they kind of make me sick to my stomach.

we go to the library pretty much every week, usually check out 5-7 picture books and it's totally unpredictable to me which one's evie will latch on to and demand to hear four times in a row and which times she'll reject completely

we're finishing our years of little kid books (youngest on the verge of turning 6) & in retrospect the ones that *I* loved reading the most to my kids were the Frances books by Russell Hoban. I think they loved them a lot too. I like Little Bear & Frog & Toad too. at one point we got a bunch of new-ish Scholastic-catalog books that were uniformly crappy. oh & I like Danny & the Dinosaur but we recently got a sequel at the library, something like Danny & the Dinosaur at Camp, & it was awful.

so i ordered Sandek's In the Night Kitchen bc it was one of my favorite books growing up and i wanted to read it to my daughter, but ppl keep balking when they find out bc it has gasp penis in it. what do u guys think? inappropriate to read to little girl? only for little boys? that seems unfair, but i'm willing to accept that i'm wrong here...

I don't have kids but I read it when I was a kid... found it a bit disturbing, but more because they want to BAKE HIM and all the illustrations of dough are kind of weird and scary and undulating, not because there's a penis. It's not a sexual image, and your daughter will learn about bodies at some point - she's probably seen you naked, right? It might spark some curiosity but it's not going to turn her into a rampant pervert or anything.

that's what i thought. it's silly.

re bakers + ovens, apparently sandek meant it as being evocative of the holocaust, which is why one of the bakers has a chaplain-stache

An excerpt from my favorite Amazon review of I Love You Forever:

Anyone who's had a baby in their family knows there's nothing cuter than looking at them while they're sleeping. The mother in the book knows this and sneaks into his room at night to peek at her angel, and sing her little song to him. Nothing wrong with that, right?

Only it doesn't stop there. When the boy is a teenager she CRAWLS into his room on all fours and, "If he was really asleep she picked up that great big boy and rocked him back and forth, back and forth, back and forth" while she sang her song. I don't know about you but if I was 15 and woke up in my bed with my Mom holding me like that, I'd probably scream. Who knows what kind of weird dreams this poor boy was having?

Well at least when this poor lad moves out of the house, he won't have to deal with his mother's obsessive habits anymore...or does he? Yep, once he's full grown, according to the book, "...sometimes on dark nights his mother got into her car and drove across town." YIKES! Not only is that scarier than hell that she's driving with a ladder strapped to her car in the middle of the night, but she makes a regular habit of it.

Yep, ol' Mommy climbs up his house, crawls through his window and does the same thing. Man this guy sleeps better than anyone I've ever known! Well, you can see by looking at this small single bed that he never got married. And he had such a healthy upbringing, too. It's a shame!

Though the book takes a poignant dramatic turn when he hears his mother isn't doing well and he goes to visit her. As he holds his dying mother in his lap, he turns the tables and sings the song to her. But wait a minute! I thought he was asleep during all those other times. Looks like he was playing along with this little sick little game a little too eagerly.

At this point, you feel bad for making fun of the book at all 'cause his mother has passed away. The son returns home, though, and picks up his baby girl and sings the song to her.

But from everything we've seen in the book, the guy lives alone. The only woman he ever sees at night is his Mom. Leaving the only possible mother of his child to be...OH MY GOD!!!

Not true that "from everything we've seen in the book, the guy lives alone". In the pic where his mother calls to say she's dying he is preparing what looks like dinner for two and there are two mugs sitting on the counter.

I think The Very Hungry Caterpillar is one of the world's perfect works of literature.

However I cannot fucking stand Horton Hatches the Egg, which my 2-year-old sums up as "Horton Hatches the Egg. And he sat, and he sat, and he sat, and he sat, and he sat, and he sat, and he sat. The end."

Search This is Not My Hat, We Are In A Book, Knuffle Bunny

those elephant and piggie books are fun to read bc they're swift and allow for good playacting.

I said it upthread but Mo Willems is insanely consistent, all his books are funny and great and there are like a thousand of them.

this is a good one:

http://www.amazon.com/Steam-Train-Sherri-Duskey-Rinker/dp/1452109206

Good Night Gorilla - LOL

Yeah, this is ace!

We love Good Night Gorilla too.
The Escape of Marvin the Ape is another really good gorilla book. Beautiful & engaging art, really silly story.
Mo Willems & Jon Klassen get much respect at bedtime.

still my fave:

http://mybloogle.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/6166877495_7a1772fef9_z.jpg

https://www.lostmy.name/products/lostmy-name?utf8=%E2%9C%93&name=Ivy&gender=girl

I haven't ordered one yet, but I really like this book. Customizable!

Children’s Stories Made Horrific: Love You Forever - http://the-toast.net/2014/09/18/love-forever/

Jesus, now I feel like a heel for hating this book - http://robertmunsch.com/book/love-you-forever

Sad story. Still a bad book.

my 2 year old is obsessed with the poky little puppy, and i think it is a terrible boring book. obviously i don't tell him this and i read it to him whenever he asks, though i do admit to hiding it sometimes to get him to read other books

are there any halfway decent/not terrible comic books appropriate for a 5 1/2 year old? my daughter loves batman and wonder woman, but a lot of the stuff I've picked up hasn't really been quite right. there are some kids books at the library but they aren't actually comic books.

do what I did and get a bunch of Silver Age stuff. More recent stuff is gonna hit or miss, although DC puts out decent kids comics (Superman Family Adventures, I think it's called, plus Batman Brave and the Bold although that might have ended). The book that sold my daughter on comics was, oddly, Grant Morrison's All-Star Superman when she was around 4 iirc. But Silver Age stuff is the way to go - Superman, Kirby etc.

I bought Ivy a graphic novelization of A Wrinkle In Time, which is too old for 5 1/2 (or 16 months for that matter) but it's out there. And I bought her the actual book when she was like two months old so I'm getting closer to age-appropriate.

What about non-super hero stuff?

Asterix + Tintin tyler

we got V a Tintin book (apparently one of the crappier ones) and it was a) pretty violent and b) chock-full of ethnic stereotypes

(she didn't care for it)

Comic books for 5-6 year olds?

It depends what they are into I'd say that Tintin and Asterix are no good as they are for older children and yeah, really old fashioned.

Baby Mouse (19 books and counting) by Matt and Jennifer Holm
Squish (5 books and counting) also by the Holms
Johnny Boo (there's about 5 of them) by James Kochalka
Dragon Puncher/Dragon Puncher Island - James Kochalka - hilarious
Comics Squad Recess! - a compliation with the Holms, Dav Pilkey and others
The Flying Beaver Brothers books by Maxwell Eaton
Ottos Orange Day/Ottos Backwards Day by Frank Cammuso and Jay Lynch
^ Those are published by Toon Books who do tons of great comic books for ages 4-8. Defintely check them out.
Captain Underpants obviously though it's not really a comic book but Super Diaper Baby is and lots of others by Dav Pilkey.

There's old favs like the Smurfs and Garfield who have newer, more modern comic books for younger kids. Theres a killer Wizard of Oz series but probably for older kids.

I have others which I can't remember right now. My children are voracious comic book readers. Our central library has a huge selection so we just go and get about 20 every week.

thanks y'all!
yeah i liked tintin when i was a kid, but maybe a little older... they are umm problematic aren't they? beautiful to look at though.

See also Nobrow's kid's comics: http://www.nobrow.net/category/products/comic-graphic?producttag=childrens-books

They also do some really nice kids picture books.

BTW, Mr Men books are really boring to read as an adult. I remember being obsessed by them as a kid, and Ella loves them, but they do not stand up well.

The Art Spiegelman-edited collection of classic American children's comics is one of the greatest anthologies of all time:

http://www.abramsbooks.com/Books/The_TOON_Treasury_of_Classic_Children_s_Comics-9780810957305.html

Ivy's new favorite book is Chu's Day by Neil Gaiman, which I impulse bought at TJ Maxx for like $4.50. She runs to her bookshelf saying, "Ah choo ah choo ah choo," grabs the book, and brings it to us. When we read it, she sneezes along with Chu and then kisses him goodnight at the end of the book.

So, search: Chu's Day by Neil Gaiman. The illustrations are fantastic, too. Lots of weird detail in them.

There's a second one, too, 'Chu's First Day at School', which Ella loves

Almost anything by Mercer Mayer is k-classic.

Anyone got a good book that teaches the value of apologies? Got a precocious preschooler who would rather pretend to faint than apologize for anything.

Mercer Mayer's "I'm Sorry

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/618W5M4AQML._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

which also specifically gets at how apologies don't mean much if you don't follow through on them

Cool! We haven't delved into Mercer Mayer yet, either.

love his style, kind of too prolific for his own good, almost makes it hard to pick out the "best".

also after someone pointed this out to me I can't unsee it:
http://i.imgur.com/Zfj3x7S.jpg

"I dress myself!"

El Deafo by Cece Bell is a wonderful graphic novel for children ages 6-12 (imo). It's an autobiographical story about a little deaf girl/bunny. Great gift idea.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQkhVoKUcAAKqss.jpg

my daughter *loves* that book

Yeah mine has read it about 20 times and so have all her friends.

god I hate these "If You Give a ____ a ____" books, would prefer it if they were stuffed with completely random non-sequiturs instead of this cutesy "aw the animal thinks its people" nonsense.

Oh I hate those too. But not as much as I hate Pete the Cat books. I can't understand the popularity of these things at all.

you aren't supposed to like kids books. your kids are supposed to like them.

my 4yo for a book of fairy tales and she asked me to read her hansel and gretl which i did and even tho i knew how much disturbing material was in it i was still a little taken aback. the wife is frank about wanting to ditch her kids in the forest (and we had an interesting conversation about why she isn't called their mother but her husband is called their father), the dad resists but ultimately she nags him into essentially abandoning his children for death. of course the witch tries to cannibalize both of the children, not to mention that the entire story takes place against a background of terrible deprivation + acute poverty. but i've read scholars who believe that the gruesomeness was necessary (bettelheim particularly iirc) for kids to process complicated details about the world and themselves. and my daughter loved it so much she wanted me to immediately read it again (despite it being a fairly lengthy story). she had a lot of questions too and she found the cannibalism elements hilarious. she also noted without my prodding that the witch was obviously the wife from the beginning and i kvelled bc i agree that it is the subtext - psychologically if not literally attributable to the text - and i think it was a v astute observation.

then we read puss and boots and i think we both found it significantly less stimulating

what no "Jew in the Thorns"

alas this version of collected stories (not just grimm) did not include it

Never realised that about the witch, now feel foolish

https://www.amazon.com/Night-Gargoyles-Eve-Bunting/dp/0395968879/

My new favorite one to read.