rolling gun sounds thread

DJ Burn One really hooked dude up, thats one of the more memorable moments on the record

well again as someone who doesnt spend all day reading/care about these rap blogs & their buzz, what exactly is his unique narrative

and as someone who makes ridiculous assumptions about someone you do not know you also will get no response beyond this.

the thing that throws this debate off is the THREE MILLION DOLLAR DEAL thing which really moved the goalposts, as they say

yeah i agree. it sucks that it has to be so controversial. it's jsut a fuckin tumblr mixtape and now we have brooklyn vegan trolls giving their two cents. unneccessary

i will tell you right now, I'm not even a freddie gibbs fan like that but his is a much stronger record

can you draw up the formula for converting BUZZ to BUZZ in proportion to QUALITY

cuz then we can talk

might wanna use some greek letters

maybe lambda = amount of strip club patrons who have heard of x (x being rapper's name)

well again as someone who doesnt spend all day reading/care about these rap blogs & their buzz, what exactly is his unique narrative

and as someone who makes ridiculous assumptions about someone you do not know you also will get no response beyond this.

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 9:26 PM (2 minutes ago)

lol ive been posting on these threads for 3 years now, i didnt think implying that you were into rap blogs would make you catch feelings

1) he has a narrative that's MUCH more interesting than "earnest rapper gets signed doesnt put out music than does". blogs and magazines create naratives around these guys and then they all just line up to the pump . asap's is way more rich

in all seriousness what does this mean

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JOC5St8GVkc/TZa81a9gqoI/AAAAAAAAAFM/4UkmBWpXY-w/s1600/6a00d8341c5fd253ef0120a66e5973970c-pi.png

i don't think he was overly buzzed based on "peso" & "purple swag" unless, again, we're talking of millions of dollars and whatever expectations come with it

this kinda thing happens to indie rockers ALL THE TIME, and as major labels have died, the playing field in rap has shifted more towards the model that indie rock has been on for years now. the only thing is that rappers are still expected to go major, so at some point things get thrown out of wack.

but having lots of 'industry buzz' after two mp3s is pretty standard practice

i mean, this same thing happened with sleigh bells or vampire wekeend or whatever and that's just how the machine goes -- the only difference is that RCA didn't go and give sleigh bells a three million dollar advance.

It's all this girl's fault basically
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yep

DUDE. seriously, magazines and blogs need a narrative for an artist to really get a lot of ink beyond just an mp3 here or there. his is more interesting/rich to them than the other rappers. so they all flog the same narrative about asap over over and over hence his buzz.

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but having lots of 'industry buzz' after two mp3s is pretty standard practice

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:33 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and you dont find this completely gross & distorting? that its concentrating influence in a small group of people?

DUDE. seriously, magazines and blogs need a narrative for an artist to really get a lot of ink beyond just an mp3 here or there. his is more interesting/rich to them than the other rappers. so they all flog the same narrative about asap over over and over hence his buzz.

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 8:36 PM (15 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

are you arguing that asap is the only rapper w/ a worthwhile narrative? this is absurd.

DUDE. seriously, magazines and blogs need a narrative for an artist to really get a lot of ink beyond just an mp3 here or there. his is more interesting/rich to them than the other rappers. so they all flog the same narrative about asap over over and over hence his buzz.

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 9:36 PM (56 seconds ago

ok i get this - what is his narrative though? i am still unclear on this

this is the biggest waste of time i've experienced in a LONG TIME. i dont know why im doing this.

THAN THE OTHER ONES YOU MENTIONED. fuck

no shakey but i'm dead serious

the '2 mp3s' thing feels TOTALLY different in a rap context not just because of major label money but because most rappers have to drop like 80 songs a year to have any presence at all

xp GOOGLE IT OR VISIT PITCHFORK.COM RIGHT NOW

I mean, if you don't think LEP has an interesting narrative just means you aren't paying attention.

and you dont find this completely gross & distorting? that its concentrating influence in a small group of people?

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 9:36 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

ummm distorting? sure. gross? i don't know, i don't lose sleep over if all is far and equal in the world of rap buzz.

i'm not necessarily advocating the process that i've outlined, just saying trying to outline sort of what i think is happening

LEP's Count came out of the Ickes projects. Count was a black stone p ranger. he grew up on NWA and originally met his manager when he was plotting to rob him. thats barely scraping the surface of the stories about those guys

The PGM deal lays a lot of hopeful industry weight on Rocky, whose government name, Rakim Mayers, is derived from one half of legendary New York hip-hop duo Eric B. & Rakim-- though Rocky wasn't even born when Paid in Full was originally released in 1987.

lol wow he wasn't even BORN when the person he was named after became famous! whodathunkit!

i think surfboards problem here is that he's conflating "narrative" with "image" -- ASAP has no narrative per se... he put videos on the internet and people liked them. he doesn't have a life story. but his image is very trendy & current, i think that's blatantly obvious.

seriously you guys are thick. i dont give a fuck about any of hte narratives. i read books.

i'M TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOIT BUZZ. ASAP'S NARRATIVE IS MORE FERTILE FOR BLOGS AND MAGAZINES. THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF THE NARRATIVE FROM IMAGE TO MUSIC. i'm sure LEP have a great backstory, but obviously it's not as interesting TO BUZZ-MAKERS.

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yes it's a superficial system and distorts the landscape. so be it it's nothing new.

seriously you guys are thick. i dont give a fuck about any of hte narratives. i read books.

i'M TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY GOIT BUZZ. ASAP'S NARRATIVE IS MORE FERTILE FOR BLOGS AND MAGAZINES. THE WHOLE SPECTRUM OF THE NARRATIVE FROM IMAGE TO MUSIC. i'm sure LEP have a great backstory, but obviously it's not as interesting TO BUZZ-MAKERS.

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― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 8:42 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

or they dont know their backstory whatsoever

tbf deej, coming from the projects isn't really an "interesting narrative"

LEP's Count came out of the Ickes projects. Count was a black stone p ranger. he grew up on NWA and originally met his manager when he was plotting to rob him. thats barely scraping the surface of the stories about those guys

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 9:40 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i mean... i don't think it really matters if we sit here and dick size over who has a cooler or more interesting life story. i think the industry has been moving away from these types of rappers for a while now.

asap is a fashionable, internet savvy young person. tell me how this is out of line w/ how music has been pushed to the masses in the last like 5 years. especially if you think outside of rap.

i think jordan is on point here, they like the image & the narrative actually comes after the fact to justify the enjoyment of the image

The video for Purple Swag was by far the biggest factor in generating the initial buzz

no one gives a shit about narrative tho -- journalists only talk about ASAP's "narrative" because it's SOP. what he's presenting is much more important to the listener.

the narrative is the way a story is framed. come on youre all writers you know this. im not talking about backstory.

i just googled LEP and found out theyre from chicago and now im really pissed i even entered this convo. you have a horse in this race man what a stupid argument

tbf deej, coming from the projects isn't really an "interesting narrative"

― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, October 31, 2011 8:44 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my vague understanding is that Count was more than just 'from the projects' but was actually running them. and the ickes have a particular interesting history & story & were recently knocked down.

i just googled LEP and found out theyre from chicago and now im really pissed i even entered this convo. you have a horse in this race man what a stupid argument

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 8:46 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i only brought them up because i covered them recently & learned a whole bunch about their narrative which is actually pretty fascinating (unfortunately more fascinating than some of the songs on the recent tape). i'm not mad that they're not where asap is or something. lol @ you trying to impugn my impartiality or w/e tho

i just don't see how there's so much hemming and hawing and head scratching about ASAP when two of the biggest breakout acts of the year (critically speaking of course) are odd future & the weeknd. how does ASAP not fit in perfectly with THAT overall narrative? i don't think it's a huge mystery.

i mean... i don't think it really matters if we sit here and dick size over who has a cooler or more interesting life story. i think the industry has been moving away from these types of rappers for a while now.

asap is a fashionable, internet savvy young person. tell me how this is out of line w/ how music has been pushed to the masses in the last like 5 years. especially if you think outside of rap.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my opinion, but 'more interesting story' > 'less interesting story' regardless of whether a particular image is trendy at that point in time

#salute to the industry from moving away from such unfortunate subjects as urban poverty in favor of sizzurp

i just don't see how there's so much hemming and hawing and head scratching about ASAP when two of the biggest breakout acts of the year (critically speaking of course) are odd future & the weeknd. how does ASAP not fit in perfectly with THAT overall narrative? i don't think it's a huge mystery.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:50 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course you recognize that we had exactly the same arguments about those guys

& by the way surfboards knows what he's talking about when it comes to marketing and image presentation and why people care about things and why people consume things just FYI

this is probably more for the dynamic compression thread but i think the reason I prefer the Gibbs to either the ASAP or LEP albums is because its just such a better-engineered record than either

& by the way surfboards knows what he's talking about when it comes to marketing and image presentation and why people care about things and why people consume things just FYI

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:51 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah the thing here is that we're also talking about 'quality of music'

but that's not really what we're talking about

when i raised my issue w/ the buzz around asap rocky, do you really think it was because i dont understand that images can sell products?

you might argue that it's what we should be talking about, and you'd probably be right, but it's not what we're talking about

and you said it yourself when you mentioned odd future & the weekend threads -- when things like this happen, the discussion of WHY IS THIS POPULAR overshadows "hey, is this actually any good?" until the first conversation runs its course

when i raised my issue w/ the buzz around asap rocky, do you really think it was because i dont understand that images can sell products?

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 9:54 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

no, but you were also scratching your head as to why ASAP rocky's image has been able to sell his product

well, the fact is that 'image' now includes 'music' so yes i am scratching my head

look i don't necessarily like this either

people upped and stopped caring about a lot of my favorite rappers of the past five years -- lil boosie, dro are the main ones -- and it took a long time, like a year or more, for that to really sink in. i'm not sure how long it's gonna be until that era comes back.