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the narrative is the way a story is framed. come on youre all writers you know this. im not talking about backstory.

i just googled LEP and found out theyre from chicago and now im really pissed i even entered this convo. you have a horse in this race man what a stupid argument

tbf deej, coming from the projects isn't really an "interesting narrative"

― Fifty-Three Percenter Godbody Knowledge (The Brainwasher), Monday, October 31, 2011 8:44 PM (16 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my vague understanding is that Count was more than just 'from the projects' but was actually running them. and the ickes have a particular interesting history & story & were recently knocked down.

i just googled LEP and found out theyre from chicago and now im really pissed i even entered this convo. you have a horse in this race man what a stupid argument

― surfboard dudes get wiped out, totally, Monday, October 31, 2011 8:46 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i only brought them up because i covered them recently & learned a whole bunch about their narrative which is actually pretty fascinating (unfortunately more fascinating than some of the songs on the recent tape). i'm not mad that they're not where asap is or something. lol @ you trying to impugn my impartiality or w/e tho

i just don't see how there's so much hemming and hawing and head scratching about ASAP when two of the biggest breakout acts of the year (critically speaking of course) are odd future & the weeknd. how does ASAP not fit in perfectly with THAT overall narrative? i don't think it's a huge mystery.

i mean... i don't think it really matters if we sit here and dick size over who has a cooler or more interesting life story. i think the industry has been moving away from these types of rappers for a while now.

asap is a fashionable, internet savvy young person. tell me how this is out of line w/ how music has been pushed to the masses in the last like 5 years. especially if you think outside of rap.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:44 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my opinion, but 'more interesting story' > 'less interesting story' regardless of whether a particular image is trendy at that point in time

#salute to the industry from moving away from such unfortunate subjects as urban poverty in favor of sizzurp

i just don't see how there's so much hemming and hawing and head scratching about ASAP when two of the biggest breakout acts of the year (critically speaking of course) are odd future & the weeknd. how does ASAP not fit in perfectly with THAT overall narrative? i don't think it's a huge mystery.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:50 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

of course you recognize that we had exactly the same arguments about those guys

& by the way surfboards knows what he's talking about when it comes to marketing and image presentation and why people care about things and why people consume things just FYI

this is probably more for the dynamic compression thread but i think the reason I prefer the Gibbs to either the ASAP or LEP albums is because its just such a better-engineered record than either

& by the way surfboards knows what he's talking about when it comes to marketing and image presentation and why people care about things and why people consume things just FYI

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:51 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah the thing here is that we're also talking about 'quality of music'

but that's not really what we're talking about

when i raised my issue w/ the buzz around asap rocky, do you really think it was because i dont understand that images can sell products?

you might argue that it's what we should be talking about, and you'd probably be right, but it's not what we're talking about

and you said it yourself when you mentioned odd future & the weekend threads -- when things like this happen, the discussion of WHY IS THIS POPULAR overshadows "hey, is this actually any good?" until the first conversation runs its course

when i raised my issue w/ the buzz around asap rocky, do you really think it was because i dont understand that images can sell products?

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 9:54 PM (43 seconds ago) Bookmark

no, but you were also scratching your head as to why ASAP rocky's image has been able to sell his product

well, the fact is that 'image' now includes 'music' so yes i am scratching my head

look i don't necessarily like this either

people upped and stopped caring about a lot of my favorite rappers of the past five years -- lil boosie, dro are the main ones -- and it took a long time, like a year or more, for that to really sink in. i'm not sure how long it's gonna be until that era comes back.

xxxp i can't get mad at one person for assuming somethign and then do the same thing in the same thread so sorry about assuming you have an LEP thing cuz of chicago

but the ASAP-type narrative is clearly resonating with the culture this year. he synthesizes many different inputs. his fashion looks like he just stepped out of a street style blog. this is what's hitting in post-kanye culture. and with OF and Weeknd taking off and then Drake basically co-opting the whole thing. that's mainstream now. so it's no wonder why he has more buzz because he's playing with the same set of clubs on the same course so to speak. he will be mainstream, buzz-makers saw him coming and got in line. for the clicks, of course

and the videos are stylish and involve drugs.

it's never really been about quality of music has it

what you think i rap for to drive a fucking rav 4

people upped and stopped caring about a lot of my favorite rappers of the past five years -- lil boosie, dro are the main ones -- and it took a long time, like a year or more, for that to really sink in. i'm not sure how long it's gonna be until that era comes back.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 8:57 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

but they didn't -- dro more or less stopped making quality music & Boosie went to jail.

it's not right, but it's okay
we're gonna make it anyway

but they didn't -- dro more or less stopped making quality music & Boosie went to jail.

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:01 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark

this isn't true

i mean both of those things did happen, but both happened after their careers as mainstream rappers were effectively over

no what happened is the culture moved on

exactly

fwiw I am really enjoying this ASAP tape

not that we're actually talking about the music or anything....

yes i am too

lol. i think half is boring. i really like the one "Keep it G"

yeah the beat on that one is crazy

getting a lot of Bone Thugs & Three Six vibez from this

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BM5P1%2B0vL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

this album, the album that was the first commercially released boosie album AFTER "wipe me down", that had commercial singles and was in best buys, that nobody cared about and nobody bought? this was before boosie went to jail.

young dro but out a dope street rap single LAST YEAR with gucci (when he was still kinda hot) AND t.i. and it didn't even move the needle a millimeter

anyway what's the sample on "trilla", that's my fav song

asap ferg is hilariously anachronistic

was kinda assuming that was gonna be the token girl of the crew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpZ-ZTCP9o&feature=player_embedded

max b over the song of the year from prison

i wish there was video of him recording it

people ignoring Superbad was a fuckin shame cuz that shit goes hard

Lol at "the culture moved on" enjoy mac miller

the sample in the chorus of "Trilla" is from "They Want EFX", if that's what you meant

Boosie's career dying was about his legal trouble. He was never eating off of fader coverage

i think that's a utopian reading of the end of his career

some of those trill ent songs where the last pure, street rap singles from "the urban poor" that hit on a huge, pop level

boosie unfortunately couldn't ride that out

boosie's career also suffered from his label delaying his album forever and loading it up w/ fuckin lil phat verses on every other song and all of the biggest hits people identified w/ boosie being on albums by webbie and foxx, among other things

The clams tracks on this tape are hot garbage imo. And asap is still an average rapper. Trew might have charisma in person / wearing streetwear but the idea that hes the next boosie or dro because the "culture moved on" is total bs

xpost not to change subject but has anything besides that one single leaked from Savage Life 3?

Jordan.... Gucci? Waka? Ross? Meek mill? The idea that the health of an imprisoned rappers career is representative of the health of street rap broadly is bs

the 'street style blog' thing is pretty hilarious to me -- i guess the whole thing w/ him and danny brown and even odd future is largely about making potentially intimidating-looking rappers come off all quirky and cute and nonthreatening in a way that REALLY appeals to certain audiences

Also, this dude is constantly repping street rappers and talks about dealing so i'm not sure what your point even is

Jordan.... Gucci? Waka? Ross? Meek mill? The idea that the health of an imprisoned rappers career is representative of the health of street rap broadly is bs

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:24 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

- gucci was a perfect example... i mean certainly there are issues there with him too, but he didn't pop off nationally like everyone expected him to

- waka had two hits, but as you said yourself, ppl care more about 2 chainz now

- ross is a label creation who has very little basis in the kind of underground -> pop street rap narrative i'm talking about here

- meek mill, sure. it's not a hard and fast rule. there's still a niche for the meek mills, but it's much, much smaller and the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is much smaller.

waka had 4 sizable hits off one album! and this stupid new thing w/ drake is kinda blowing up!

i mean the list is pretty long

guys like rich boy and webbie and dro have HUGE HITS to their names, but neither of those guys could drop a commercial album and sell 10k copies

is it cuz their music is just so much worse than it was four years ago? or has the "culture moved on"