rolling gun sounds thread

Lol at "the culture moved on" enjoy mac miller

the sample in the chorus of "Trilla" is from "They Want EFX", if that's what you meant

Boosie's career dying was about his legal trouble. He was never eating off of fader coverage

i think that's a utopian reading of the end of his career

some of those trill ent songs where the last pure, street rap singles from "the urban poor" that hit on a huge, pop level

boosie unfortunately couldn't ride that out

boosie's career also suffered from his label delaying his album forever and loading it up w/ fuckin lil phat verses on every other song and all of the biggest hits people identified w/ boosie being on albums by webbie and foxx, among other things

The clams tracks on this tape are hot garbage imo. And asap is still an average rapper. Trew might have charisma in person / wearing streetwear but the idea that hes the next boosie or dro because the "culture moved on" is total bs

xpost not to change subject but has anything besides that one single leaked from Savage Life 3?

Jordan.... Gucci? Waka? Ross? Meek mill? The idea that the health of an imprisoned rappers career is representative of the health of street rap broadly is bs

the 'street style blog' thing is pretty hilarious to me -- i guess the whole thing w/ him and danny brown and even odd future is largely about making potentially intimidating-looking rappers come off all quirky and cute and nonthreatening in a way that REALLY appeals to certain audiences

Also, this dude is constantly repping street rappers and talks about dealing so i'm not sure what your point even is

Jordan.... Gucci? Waka? Ross? Meek mill? The idea that the health of an imprisoned rappers career is representative of the health of street rap broadly is bs

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:24 PM (18 seconds ago) Bookmark

- gucci was a perfect example... i mean certainly there are issues there with him too, but he didn't pop off nationally like everyone expected him to

- waka had two hits, but as you said yourself, ppl care more about 2 chainz now

- ross is a label creation who has very little basis in the kind of underground -> pop street rap narrative i'm talking about here

- meek mill, sure. it's not a hard and fast rule. there's still a niche for the meek mills, but it's much, much smaller and the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow is much smaller.

waka had 4 sizable hits off one album! and this stupid new thing w/ drake is kinda blowing up!

i mean the list is pretty long

guys like rich boy and webbie and dro have HUGE HITS to their names, but neither of those guys could drop a commercial album and sell 10k copies

is it cuz their music is just so much worse than it was four years ago? or has the "culture moved on"

meek mill and 2 chainz are kind of my two defaults right now for thank god there are some 'relevant' rappers i don't find completely embarrassing on some fundamental level

xpost i always thought stuff like Webbie was kind of niche to begin with......

look i don't necessarily like this either

people upped and stopped caring about a lot of my favorite rappers of the past five years -- lil boosie, dro are the main ones -- and it took a long time, like a year or more, for that to really sink in. i'm not sure how long it's gonna be until that era comes back.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 9:57 PM (28 minutes ago)

reading this made me sad

sit here and tell me that drake/kendrick lamar/asap rocky isn't the most relevant & sensible (& potentially powerful) rap tour this year outside of kanye & jay

xpost i always thought stuff like Webbie was kind of niche to begin with......

― Neanderthal, Monday, October 31, 2011 10:31 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

webbie, dro & rich boy all had top 10 hits! just huge singles. now if i got in my car and heard any of those guys on the radio i'd careen off the road.

that would be true of a drake/anybody tour right now in terms of ticket sales tbh (xpost)

i don't really mean ticket sales tho

i mean that tour is only like 6 colleges anyway, so it's not like some huge big thing. i mean i don't think execs would let him bring kendrick & asap out on a 25 city nationwide tour, but it's not a coincidence why drake asked those two artist to go play shows with him.

and yes i do think it's very indicative & important at least at this moment that he picked those two artists

xxpost I will admit that I got into Webbie long after the first (and even second) Savage Life came out, so my viewpoint on that may be skewed

it is interesting though how for years and years all these joe budden-type east coast cats were getting left behind in the changing times, and now the casualties of the changing times are people like rich boy and young dro that people were blaming for papoose getting benched or whatever. and it's not like it's karma or comeuppance or lack of 'staying power,' it's just all these demographic shifts constantly happening.

yeah i mean i don't want to get too david fincher here but we might be entering the age of "no demographics". the internet ethered everyone.

Asap rocky has zero fucking hits dude!

Asap rocky hasn't replaced anyone, and if he does it will be because of relentless media saturation. And waka is STILL more popular than odd future.

look i'm making no predictions about ASAP's career or whatever. i think the fact that he's gotten this far is evidence enough.

Artists like kendrick and jcole can push albums bcuz they've marketed themselves as "serious rap artists" but even jcoles one hit had a trey songz hook and could easily have been on a circa 2000 street rap artists album

Jordan what is "this far."

i mean you can pick certain artists out like odd future vs waka or whatever and match them up but i think i'm right about the focus of the industry and the audience

Jordan what is "this far."

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:47 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark

this far being that we've been arguing about this guy for 2 hours and he's blowing up on twitter and going on tour with one of the three biggest rappers in the world.

And gucci ethered his own career. So did t.i. it wasn't "changing times" it was going to prison when they should have been promoting

btw i don't think waka could do odd future's exact tour right now and sell those venues out every night and months in advance

but do with that theory what you will

t.i. still has a career

rap radio in a lot of major markets is definitely gradually getting more soft batch/dancey/hipster/bloggy, it hasn't totally pushed out street rap but drake definitely feels like a transitional figure in that sense

look, jail fucked gucci's career up, no doubt

but the reason why "lemonade" stalled in the 60s in the hot 100 has nothing to do with promoting and everything to do with what people on a large scale started to gravitate towards

t.i. has a couple songs doing well right now, but he'll never be back to urban legend-through-paper trail level big again, and he'll probably fuck up his legal status and/or career momentum again before you know it

Hes going on tour with big artists because drake is a fader-reading tastemaker, not because of demand for asap rocky tickets

well to an extent yeah but i mean 'paper trail' grandfathered him into long term success i think w/o him having to try

xp to ship

It does have to do with promoting jordan. When gucci doesn't show up to a show at the congress-which btw odd future could never fill-- it will cause singles to stall

rap radio here is all softbatch all the time now. pretty sure "no hands" is the closest thing to a street rap song that's been in regular rotation all year. :/

I agree with als post but I think that has to do with blogs increasing influence - asap rocky is being pushed by a small group of people

Hes going on tour with big artists because drake is a fader-reading tastemaker, not because of demand for asap rocky tickets

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:52 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

you're missing my point. of course there's no "demand" for asap rocky tickets. drake doesn't need any openers. his tour could open up with a roundtable discussion featuring the editors of somanyshrimp and it would sell out in a day. think about the type of image and sound that asap & drake (and to a lesser extent in terms of fashion) kendrick have? does that not seem like a good signpost for where the genre is right now and what people by and large care about? drake picked ASAP bcuz they have a lot of things in common. this is also why ASAP is "popular". and why drake is hugely popular.

we had the local rap station on last night (which I have barely heard in the past) and I swear I heard 3 songs featuring Drake in under an hour. the hardest track played was one featuring Rick Ross and it was just a song he guested on

It does have to do with promoting jordan. When gucci doesn't show up to a show at the congress-which btw odd future could never fill-- it will cause singles to stall

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

gucci missing out on some shows is not the reason why he never had a bigger hit than "wasted", sorry. it's just not.

Yes, it is! Promotion is integral to musics success. Sorry it just is

we had the local rap station on last night (which I have barely heard in the past) and I swear I heard 3 songs featuring Drake in under an hour. the hardest track played was one featuring Rick Ross and it was just a song he guested on

― Neanderthal, Monday, October 31, 2011 10:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

3 drake songs in an hour is a pretty low number on most stations these days, dead serious.

thread feeling a lot like 2012 republican presidential nominee II: back into hell right now

Yes, it is! Promotion is integral to musics success. Sorry it just is

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 11:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

alright fine. i think you're looking at the wrong things, but whatever.