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xpost i always thought stuff like Webbie was kind of niche to begin with......

look i don't necessarily like this either

people upped and stopped caring about a lot of my favorite rappers of the past five years -- lil boosie, dro are the main ones -- and it took a long time, like a year or more, for that to really sink in. i'm not sure how long it's gonna be until that era comes back.

― J0rdan S., Monday, October 31, 2011 9:57 PM (28 minutes ago)

reading this made me sad

sit here and tell me that drake/kendrick lamar/asap rocky isn't the most relevant & sensible (& potentially powerful) rap tour this year outside of kanye & jay

xpost i always thought stuff like Webbie was kind of niche to begin with......

― Neanderthal, Monday, October 31, 2011 10:31 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

webbie, dro & rich boy all had top 10 hits! just huge singles. now if i got in my car and heard any of those guys on the radio i'd careen off the road.

that would be true of a drake/anybody tour right now in terms of ticket sales tbh (xpost)

i don't really mean ticket sales tho

i mean that tour is only like 6 colleges anyway, so it's not like some huge big thing. i mean i don't think execs would let him bring kendrick & asap out on a 25 city nationwide tour, but it's not a coincidence why drake asked those two artist to go play shows with him.

and yes i do think it's very indicative & important at least at this moment that he picked those two artists

xxpost I will admit that I got into Webbie long after the first (and even second) Savage Life came out, so my viewpoint on that may be skewed

it is interesting though how for years and years all these joe budden-type east coast cats were getting left behind in the changing times, and now the casualties of the changing times are people like rich boy and young dro that people were blaming for papoose getting benched or whatever. and it's not like it's karma or comeuppance or lack of 'staying power,' it's just all these demographic shifts constantly happening.

yeah i mean i don't want to get too david fincher here but we might be entering the age of "no demographics". the internet ethered everyone.

Asap rocky has zero fucking hits dude!

Asap rocky hasn't replaced anyone, and if he does it will be because of relentless media saturation. And waka is STILL more popular than odd future.

look i'm making no predictions about ASAP's career or whatever. i think the fact that he's gotten this far is evidence enough.

Artists like kendrick and jcole can push albums bcuz they've marketed themselves as "serious rap artists" but even jcoles one hit had a trey songz hook and could easily have been on a circa 2000 street rap artists album

Jordan what is "this far."

i mean you can pick certain artists out like odd future vs waka or whatever and match them up but i think i'm right about the focus of the industry and the audience

Jordan what is "this far."

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:47 PM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark

this far being that we've been arguing about this guy for 2 hours and he's blowing up on twitter and going on tour with one of the three biggest rappers in the world.

And gucci ethered his own career. So did t.i. it wasn't "changing times" it was going to prison when they should have been promoting

btw i don't think waka could do odd future's exact tour right now and sell those venues out every night and months in advance

but do with that theory what you will

t.i. still has a career

rap radio in a lot of major markets is definitely gradually getting more soft batch/dancey/hipster/bloggy, it hasn't totally pushed out street rap but drake definitely feels like a transitional figure in that sense

look, jail fucked gucci's career up, no doubt

but the reason why "lemonade" stalled in the 60s in the hot 100 has nothing to do with promoting and everything to do with what people on a large scale started to gravitate towards

t.i. has a couple songs doing well right now, but he'll never be back to urban legend-through-paper trail level big again, and he'll probably fuck up his legal status and/or career momentum again before you know it

Hes going on tour with big artists because drake is a fader-reading tastemaker, not because of demand for asap rocky tickets

well to an extent yeah but i mean 'paper trail' grandfathered him into long term success i think w/o him having to try

xp to ship

It does have to do with promoting jordan. When gucci doesn't show up to a show at the congress-which btw odd future could never fill-- it will cause singles to stall

rap radio here is all softbatch all the time now. pretty sure "no hands" is the closest thing to a street rap song that's been in regular rotation all year. :/

I agree with als post but I think that has to do with blogs increasing influence - asap rocky is being pushed by a small group of people

Hes going on tour with big artists because drake is a fader-reading tastemaker, not because of demand for asap rocky tickets

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:52 PM (47 seconds ago) Bookmark

you're missing my point. of course there's no "demand" for asap rocky tickets. drake doesn't need any openers. his tour could open up with a roundtable discussion featuring the editors of somanyshrimp and it would sell out in a day. think about the type of image and sound that asap & drake (and to a lesser extent in terms of fashion) kendrick have? does that not seem like a good signpost for where the genre is right now and what people by and large care about? drake picked ASAP bcuz they have a lot of things in common. this is also why ASAP is "popular". and why drake is hugely popular.

we had the local rap station on last night (which I have barely heard in the past) and I swear I heard 3 songs featuring Drake in under an hour. the hardest track played was one featuring Rick Ross and it was just a song he guested on

It does have to do with promoting jordan. When gucci doesn't show up to a show at the congress-which btw odd future could never fill-- it will cause singles to stall

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 10:54 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

gucci missing out on some shows is not the reason why he never had a bigger hit than "wasted", sorry. it's just not.

Yes, it is! Promotion is integral to musics success. Sorry it just is

we had the local rap station on last night (which I have barely heard in the past) and I swear I heard 3 songs featuring Drake in under an hour. the hardest track played was one featuring Rick Ross and it was just a song he guested on

― Neanderthal, Monday, October 31, 2011 10:58 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

3 drake songs in an hour is a pretty low number on most stations these days, dead serious.

thread feeling a lot like 2012 republican presidential nominee II: back into hell right now

Yes, it is! Promotion is integral to musics success. Sorry it just is

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 11:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark

alright fine. i think you're looking at the wrong things, but whatever.

Drake is not predestined to choose asap rocky! There sound only goes together because it is going together, because drake made that choice. Youre acting like this is a natural thing but he could have as easily chosen anyone

and that crappy Big Sean "My Last" got play too xxxpost

yeah i imagine drake spinning the same 'blog buzz' wheel to pick out his tour lineup as ross did for his label roster

whatever -- i think a very obvious line can be drawn from drake to ASAP that can inform why the latter is "popular" now, also why the former is taking the latter on tour

yeah, based on my vague understanding of asap rocky from that one video and some press i don't really see any 'obvious line' between him and drake that you couldn't draw between a thousand other pairs of names

I was just in Memphis and heard Webbie "What's Happenin'" about a half dozen times on the radio over the course of the weekend.

I did not hear any ASAP Rocky.

and that, folks, is why yo gotti is a major pop star

"what's happenin" bangs but it's weird to me that webbie ever had a career, did the world really need someone who sounds like birdman if he couldn't rap on beat

yeah, based on my vague understanding of asap rocky from that one video and some press i don't really see any 'obvious line' between him and drake that you couldn't draw between a thousand other pairs of names

― some dude, Monday, October 31, 2011 11:10 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

well whatever -- you yourself called drake some kind of sea change, and i'd agree. and i think there's a lot of sonic similarities b/w drake's new stuff, the darkness and drugginess of a lot of it and a$ap's stuff. i think their images, in terms of fashion, intersect a lot, altho a$ap def attempts to have more of a street edge to him.

Webbie is a good rapper thats crazy.

The funny thing is that asap rocky s entire aesthetic is totally street rap influences

i wish surfboards was still around backing me up

lol @ you buying the whole 'new edgy drake' thing -- whatever extent his new shit is DARK and DRUGGY isn't really any more than his old shit. i mean for better or worse his aesthetic hasn't changed or evolved one bit in the last two and a half years.

The funny thing is that asap rocky s entire aesthetic is totally street rap influences

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Monday, October 31, 2011 11:17 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

well sure, i mean he is from HARLEM after all

i'm being mean about webbie, he's not that bad, but he really really cannot stay on beat for two bars straight ever

really you don't detect any difference b/w stuff like "marvin's room" and "i'm on one" vs "forever" and "over" and "miss me" and "fancy"