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i mean isnt the slice of hype much more about NY's ego than it is about our psychic need for more national rappers anyway

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:39 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

yeah maybe

i mean isnt the slice of hype much more about NY's ego than it is about our psychic need for more national rappers anyway

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 15:39 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

well yeah but it also doesn't explain all of it, as there have been plenty of NY rappers over the year that were hyped solely to serve the city's ego and almost literally nobody cared about them (saigon, papoose, maino etc) (fred the godson)

hey ive been rocking w/ louie all summer, lol

for what its worth, i would not wish ASAP levels of hype on Louie at all. I mean, I would to the extent that I think it would be good for his family to have the money to move out of woodlawn, but in terms of creating a sustained career, he's much better off working on increasing his national fanbase through creating strong relationships with non-media type audiences. so this really isn't about me wishing I was in RNT's position (particularly bad parallel because I am in no way actually invested in Louie's success beyond, as I've said, being right about his worth as an artist; i'm not tying my career to his in any way

i dont think asap rocky stands up to 2chainz or meek mill. I think he has the potential to reach those guys, but he's definitely not at that step. Thats the problem w/ these indie rock blog hype cycles, they're so concerned with being first that they jump the gun on a lot of artists

well yeah but it also doesn't explain all of it, as there have been plenty of NY rappers over the year that were hyped solely to serve the city's ego and almost literally nobody cared about them (saigon, papoose, maino etc) (fred the godson)

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 1, 2011 2:52 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fred the godson >>> asap

dude, lots of people cared about those rappers; its just that a) their hype bubbles burst since before you paid attention, b) NONE of those guys were fashion plates

remember when they were getting hype from NYers, the blog crowd was chasing houston rappers, then hyphy

now they've taken up the cause of bringing NY back or w/e

i mean, how is Mike Jones doing right now. ASAP Rocky may want to keep that in mind. This is why I agree w/ forks & shakey mo on this, these guys will be chewed up & spit out

i'm actually curious: what are the most recent 3m$+ contracts for rappers' debuts

flops, i was referring to the back and forth DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE/YES BELIEVE THE HYPE/HYPE? WHAT HYPE? multipost backandforth earlier yesterday in this thread more than anything

i think odd future is a misleading example here because they actually do appeal to a lot of people outside the hype cycle ... i bet skaters & etc. keep those guys fed for a lot longer after the hype bubble bursts

like, i feel like those dudes appeal to whatever the modern equiv of beastie boys fans is

i kind of wish roach gigz was in that but he hasn't hit on the right production sound or something i think

fred the godson >>> asap

well, no. also this doesn't matter.

dude, lots of people cared about those rappers; its just that a) their hype bubbles burst since before you paid attention, b) NONE of those guys were fashion plates

i'm not sure what your first point means or what it has to do w/ why saigon and papoose and maino and joel ortiz never had popular, sustained careers. as for b, you're right none of those guys were fashion plates, but i don't think "fashion plate" as it pertains to ASAP is a check mark in a box. it's part of a charisma that he has that those other guys didn't, which transcends BRING NY BACK hype.

remember when they were getting hype from NYers, the blog crowd was chasing houston rappers, then hyphy

saigon and papoose weren't ahead of their time or some shit, they just weren't all that great of artists.

as for houston rappers and hyphy being chewed up and spit out, you're definitely right and ASAP and his ppl should be concerned about how quickly he will be expected to return on that large investment. far be it from me to tell someone to turn down that much money, but he's put a ton of pressure on himself, certainly by revealing the amount, too.

btw i was watching video from his "mixtape listening party" or w/e and i'm pretty sure ryan leslie was in there wearing a mink. not that that's notable or anything (altho EVERYONE should work with ryan leslie) but it was funny bcuz no one was like "listening party ft x celeb and y celeb" so to see ryan leslie slink by the camera in a mink was p hilarious.

saigon and papoose weren't ahead of their time or some shit, they just weren't all that great of artists.

― J0rdan S., Tuesday, November 1, 2011 3:06 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

and so far neither is asap

dude has a couple of songs & a spotty mixtape & you're really like BUT SAIGON

saigon actually has more than a couple dope songs too. his career didnt pan out for other reasons & he was never a media darling but that doesnt make him a less talented artist like you're implying

and so far neither is asap

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, November 1, 2011 4:10 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

this is true, but now we can circle back to why ASAP is hyped

the same weird arbitrary marketing voodoo reasons houston was, then. im not sure we've learned anything here today lol

flopson's "i wish something was just v popular & we all liked it" misunderstands that lil wayne / t.i. etc were all regional obscurities at one point, to have a sustained career in this industry afaik thats the only way to really do it

the same weird arbitrary marketing voodoo reasons houston was, then. im not sure we've learned anything here today lol

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, November 1, 2011 4:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

*shrug* i don't think it's really all that similar to houston at all but i'm pretty much done w/ trying to spell this out

It's all this girl's fault basically
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqqx6bld5u1qamo7k.png

― Number None, Monday, 31 October 2011

based on the current wave in rap i think the real trick is to have a white girl dropping nbombs in your videos

btw i was watching video from his "mixtape listening party" or w/e and i'm pretty sure ryan leslie was in there

and Mos Def, inevitably

mos def is like the aston kutcher of rap minus the part where he makes money

no idea what that means but i like it

anyone check this 2 Chainz. "Stunt" w/ Meek Mill has a CRAZY beat

hmm my announcement of a new jedi mind tricks album did not cause the excitement i had hoped :|

Mos Def doesn't make money?

in fact, the entire premise of that post is bogus.

pretty sure this is my new favorite sentence in the history of ilx

lol
i actually want to check that out mostly bcuz it has an outsidaz cameo

unclear on how a non-stoupe jedi mind tricks album will be

xxp spent it all on towels
/d. adams nerd

that was an xp to m@tt

kreay's verse on this 2 chainz sounds like when rappers have their 8 yr old daughter spit on a record

Mos Def doesn't make money?

― clear as mud (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, November 1, 2011 5:48 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark

i was making a comparison b/w aston kutcher the tech investor and mos def hanging around and big upping these renegade start up rappers (feel free to ban me btw) except mos def doesn't monetarily invest in odd future or asap rocky and as such does not make money off them

mmmmmm that makes more sense

flopson's "i wish something was just v popular & we all liked it" misunderstands that lil wayne / t.i. etc were all regional obscurities at one point, to have a sustained career in this industry afaik thats the only way to really do it

― The boyboy young jess (D-40), Tuesday, 1 November 2011 16:21 (1 hour ago) Bookmark

not so sure that was my point; i think it's important to follow regional obscurities who release great music & consider it a hobby of mine. despite the weaknesses i outlined in my post upthread i think asap rocky's aesthetic (both fashion/image & the brand of production he's equally defined by) and strong hooks puts him above dudes like meek mill, 2 chainz ito pop appeal. they are better rappers in many ways and i'm looking forward to their future output, esp 2 chainz, but besides maybe a strong single it's hard to see them having vastly diffrent trajectories than street rappers we've seen slide out of relevance the past few years (gucci, jeezy). i mean i happen to like the asap tape a lot but my argument is more about "if i had 3 million dollars but had to invest it in rap music"

if asap rocky has a career even a fraction as strong as gucci or jeezy's he'll be lucky. i still dont get the comparison. Jeezy was on top for a long time, and unlike Wayne and T.I. never aimed for the straight pop maneuver; and Gucci ethered his own career when he was still ascendant. I don't think there's anything limiting Meek Mill (who I think is better than 2 Chainz) from crossing over.

i dont see how clams casino production & looking like dj quik dressed up as percy miller is a fashion/image run to 'pop appeal.' Its tailor-made for a certain hip niche appeal, and that niche appeal happens to be hot with certain pop stars like Drake, but Weeknd isn't storming the charts either.

i dont even hear 'strong hooks.' purple swag is like a poor man's 'still tippin.'

how many hooks on this record are just a down-pitched voice reciting rap lyrics anyway

(i do think 'peso' has a great hook)

at what point was gucci's career ethered...? ice cream cone tattoo? wacka album?

just curious, I've never really been into him

one of the eight trips he made to prison in the middle of when he was supposed to be promoting an album. also possibly when he no-showed at concerts, or radio interviews, or any of the many probably-substance-related AWOL situations

(eight is a small exaggeration)

jewelry selection is the last great tape

i like the hook on kissin pink (lol) a lot

i'm with deej here, nobody knows what the fuck an asap rocky is, except nerds like us.

i don't think anyone is really debating that. he's also been in the public consciousness for like 3 months, it's not a huge indictment on him

i don't think ilx can stand for anyone but forks using "wacka". he's, like, the full quotient of representation whereby we do not simply die of embarrassment but soldier on.

lol

That Kreayshawn feature is kinda embarrassing. I think she was born to make GG and nothing more.

guess this is on the dj drama album? it's also on the pusha t album. anyway, french montana's hook on this is amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv034lv0OPk