selling for 4x the price of the regular flatscreen but made out of papaya or something
Or what's the suggestion?
― blind pele (darraghmac), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:04 (twelve years ago) link
there is more legislation here than china obv, tho generally not anywhere near the realm of 'factory x pays for all its environmental externalities'.
― iatee, Monday, 7 November 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
china actually has pretty strict safety laws, its just that nobody follows them and the courts dont enforce anything
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:05 (twelve years ago) link
strict environmental laws
refreshing and healthy benzene
― whoop, up the butt it goes (silby), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:06 (twelve years ago) link
yeah tbf i hadn't ever assumed 'sufficient' legislation but that underlines the point, really- even with light regulation, the problem just goes elsewhere without solving anything in terms of global impact.
― blind pele (darraghmac), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
benzene rings, the lord of them all
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:08 (twelve years ago) link
when they fix things in china they'll just move all the factories to SE asia, when SE asia outlaws they'll just move the factories to the parts of africa that aren't war-torn
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
right, which means even if china one day got 100% on board, you still have other places willing to step up. xp
― iatee, Monday, 7 November 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
xp yup
but hopefully the reptilians will reveal themselves by then and show us the path to salvation and to Betelgeuse V
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
exactly. Where to next, this place isn't shitty enough to be a viable cost centre anymore
Globalisation works
― blind pele (darraghmac), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:10 (twelve years ago) link
we basically need a world government willing to impose and enforce environmental taxes
― iatee, Monday, 7 November 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
a rising tide will hopefully cover all plutonium dumps, kiu icecaps
― blind pele (darraghmac), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
xp lol
maybe after we get a world govt able to stop i dunno genocide, famine and the simon cowell, but cmon now
― blind pele (darraghmac), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
simon cowell is actually our best hope for creating and running a world government iirc
― iatee, Monday, 7 November 2011 00:15 (twelve years ago) link
cowell/michael o'leary/abramovich hot ticket in 2015
― blind pele (darraghmac), Monday, 7 November 2011 00:17 (twelve years ago) link
not badly priced, but the corncob pipe fits right into the "how much authenticity is too much?" discussion
http://absoluteclassicmasterpieces.us/shop
― spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Monday, 14 November 2011 14:06 (twelve years ago) link
you don't usually see the words "leisure accessories" and "philadelphia, pennsylvania" in the same sentence.
― scott seward, Monday, 14 November 2011 14:10 (twelve years ago) link
it's nice that they are Felt fans though.
IIRC, the original corncob pipes were designed to be disposable.
And it's the concrete ashtray that really gets me.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 14 November 2011 14:29 (twelve years ago) link
Ditto.
― It means why you gotta be a montague? (Laurel), Monday, 14 November 2011 14:34 (twelve years ago) link
Those just, um, don't even look that well-crafted? Or at least not well-designed.
― pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:03 (twelve years ago) link
a concrete ashtray doesn't seem very useful, it's heavy and hard to flip and you can't shake it without threat of getting carpal tunnel
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:06 (twelve years ago) link
Concrete's actually a bit lighter than glass. But $150 for an ashtray is rough.
― spiced with KNOWING THAT YOU'VE PAID YOUR BILLS (I DIED), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
there was a nyt article about 20-somethings all becoming portland food truck vendors and the 'sell stuff' economy, but I can't find it now
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:21 (twelve years ago) link
ah here
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/13/opinion/sunday/the-entrepreneurial-generation.html?pagewanted=all
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:23 (twelve years ago) link
this is the guy who wrote "The Disadvantages of an Elite Education" which iirc was about how going to princeton (or whatever) made it too hard to talk to his plumber
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:26 (twelve years ago) link
"But hipsters, who’ve been around for 15 years or so, appear to have become a durable part of our cultural configuration. " = line of the week imo
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:28 (twelve years ago) link
haha hasn't that exact article been written every three months since 2002?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol that guy was my professor :/ he fights the good fight in general
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
yeah at least w/r/t academia in general he seems to. do you know why he left yale?
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:42 (twelve years ago) link
t/f when he was writing this article he was thinking about dayo
he got disillusioned by the politics of the ivory tower, he actually believed all the stuff the pr office puts out about yale
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:44 (twelve years ago) link
being a force of good in the world &c
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 14 November 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
it seems like a place where the old guard is firmly in charge
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:46 (twelve years ago) link
otm:
Tara Japan November 13th, 2011 11:22 am
You're seeing all of the symptoms but misdiagnosing the cause. "Affability is a commercial virtue, but it is also the affect of people who feel themselves to be living in a fundamentally agreeable society." No. Affability, and the commercially-acceptable facade we Millennials put on, is an act of desperation. We must be perpetual salesmen because there is no such thing as job security, because there is so much competition in finding new employment; in short, because we know that any boon we get is bound to be temporary, and liable to be ripped away at any moment.
It's the same reason why so many Millennials develop "small businesses" outside of their main jobs, too - because they know they can't rely on an employer. We have no sense of security. Anything could happen and tomorrow we'll be out of a job, with no health care, and maybe if the Republicans get their way, no support to help us through tough times.
I have to agree with grovewest, #9 - our affability IS largely disingenuous. It's a survival trait, not our true selves. I love the term Generation Sell, though - that sums it up pretty well. We (and everyone else these days) must constantly sell ourselves.
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 15:48 (twelve years ago) link
― iatee, Monday, November 14, 2011 10:42 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark
lol I have undergone a lot of change since then
― ASPIE Rocky (dayo), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:24 (twelve years ago) link
lol, i'm well-educated and i think i know more about plumbing than my handyman does!
― reconstituted pork offal slurry (get bent), Monday, 14 November 2011 18:30 (twelve years ago) link
exactly why you shouldn't hire handymen who went to dartmouth
― iatee, Monday, 14 November 2011 18:35 (twelve years ago) link
http://vimeo.com/31175652
(profile pic nsfw but vid is ok)
― dayo, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 12:48 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/11/14/the-inefficiency-of-local-food/
^ more or less my point from earlier in the thread
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:44 (twelve years ago) link
kinda stopped reading halfway through cuz I didn't accept half a dozen of that dude's assumptions, sorry
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:51 (twelve years ago) link
But implicit in the argument that local farming is better for the environment than industrial agriculture is an assumption that a “relocalized” food system can be just as efficient as today’s modern farming.
I don't think this assumption is implicit at all, for example
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:53 (twelve years ago) link
he seems to dismiss out of hand the idea that people like Remy, who want a pineapple but live in a region where pineapples are not grown, may simply have to forego pineapples. instead dude assumes that the local pineapple demand would be met by trying to grow them in South Carolina or wherever. which is insane.
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:55 (twelve years ago) link
also trots out hoary old chestnuts about how there are SO MANY MOUTHS TO FEED while glossing over the fact that there's actually plenty of food for everybody - the problem is distribution, not production.
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:56 (twelve years ago) link
and yes I know distribution gets us back to carbon emissions but duh there are multiple angles to this problem - maybe developing modes of transportation that are less carbon intensive figure into this as well etc
― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:57 (twelve years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 21:59 (twelve years ago) link
It seems like he's assuming that a locavore system would mean trying to grow all crops everywhere, as opposed to relying more heavily on what grows well locally (which I thought was, in fact, the idea).
― pass the duchy pon the left hand side (musical duke) (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 15 November 2011 22:02 (twelve years ago) link