British Right-Wing Pundits

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british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (twelve years ago) Permalink

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (twelve years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (twelve years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (twelve years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (twelve years ago) Permalink

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (twelve years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (twelve years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (twelve years ago) Permalink

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Not according to the most recent polls.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

... and wasn't Cameron one of those responsible for that policy?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

parties don't campaign on 'number one concern of voters' in general but the voters who will swing the election, ie middle england blah blah blah.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Middle england (according to the polls) cares about health and house prices.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:30 (twelve years ago) Permalink

healthy and house prices

fixed

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:31 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what on earth could their problem be with house prices!? they are winning that war. it would be interesting to know the nature of middle england's concern w. health -- taking my parents as barometer of same, their problem isn't exactly lack of service but quality of it: hospital bugs etc. a move by the tories towards increased private provision probably wouldn't phase them too much.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:48 (twelve years ago) Permalink

their kids getting on the property ladder?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:49 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Having to live near poor people?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (twelve years ago) Permalink

are the right wing pundits repping for "middle england" thou? as dom points out Littlejohn is, or at least was, the voice of white van man. all the big scares of recent years have focused on working class fears as much as middle england haven't they?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, who cares about "working class fears"?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:06 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Difference between white working class fears of immigration and middle England fears of immigration? Straightforward difference of economics vs culture?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

also theres a sense that rightwing british pundits dont really believe that much in what they right, so it all comes off a bit geezer down the pub, who says one thing one minute and another the next

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (twelve years ago) Permalink

a decent education system in this country might mean people writing right instead of righting write

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

If nothing else, the French election campaign makes me feel nostalgic for the days when one party stood for something and another party stood for something else, clearcut with no ambiguity and no chasing after the same limited and overrated floating electorate.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (twelve years ago) Permalink

perhaps with a decent university system that keeps the poor out, some of them may even write correctly

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:10 (twelve years ago) Permalink

"the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

-- 600, Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:05 PM (4 minutes ago)"

lol 8080

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:11 (twelve years ago) Permalink

There are a lot of rent-a-rightie types on the op ed pages of the Times who you know cynically knock out 500 words of half-hearted spleen on the turn of a dime and really don't give a toss one way or the other - stand up Stephen Pollard, Ross Clark, Mick Hume and Rosemary Righter, which latter name could have come straight out of Kingsley Amis.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:12 (twelve years ago) Permalink

oh i think mick hume cares a lot. he's sinister fucker with a scary team.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:18 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Since when was Mick Hume on Sinister?

Still, never trust an ex-Marxist.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:23 (twelve years ago) Permalink

i think saying they don't actually believe what they're saying is a bit dangerous. cf that thread about melanie phillips and the missing WMDs.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:53 (twelve years ago) Permalink

I've said this before elsewhere on ILE, but Peter Cook used to write a fervently right-wing column for the Daily Mail in '76-8. He said he didn't agree with a word of it but he thought that was the kind of writing the editor of the Daily Mail wanted, and it paid good money. Most notoriously, he gave a scathing denouncement of punk rock which he'd written with Malcolm McLaren the night before.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:56 (twelve years ago) Permalink

what thread was that?

i know what you mean acrobat. but melanie p means every word of what she says. she is less of a menace than the others, partly because that imo. which sounds odd but basically i don't think many guardian writers are really very committed to any kind of politics, they, like their right-wing counterparts, churn out perversely 'reassuring' copy each day, confirming their readers' half-thought out prejudices. polly toynbee and jackie ashley exist solely as government mouthpieces, for example.

crosspost

the cook columns are really funny though!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:58 (twelve years ago) Permalink

He also mocked the idea that Martin Luther King was a good person because he used to sleep around, some of the columns are in that "I Was Born An Only Twin" collection.

xp

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:00 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Does this guy count as a rightwing pundit? Or is he a bit too button-down for the raving loon aspect?

He's the kind who's exported to america, at least, since he's over here on a book tour.

kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:01 (twelve years ago) Permalink

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=53352#unread

this thread. i flicked through the spectator for the first time ever last week. it was really horrible.

xpost

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:02 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Upper class twit (xp)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:03 (twelve years ago) Permalink

Nuremberg Laws. the name of a Bavarian City with a noun.

calzino, Wednesday, 27 March 2019 10:02 (two months ago) Permalink

OH GOOD GRIEF. #bbctw pic.twitter.com/sYOUIqrwKw

— Andi (@AndiMcLellan) March 29, 2019

Fair warning, this clip will make you want to pour bleach in your eyes and then torch the remaining flesh in the sockets.

gyac, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:06 (two months ago) Permalink

fp

tinhead from brookside (||||||||), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:17 (two months ago) Permalink

jesus fucking christ i did 5 seconds abolish the licence fee now

The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:20 (two months ago) Permalink

;_;

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:20 (two months ago) Permalink

not with a bang, but with an andrew neil verse

PPL+AI=NS (imago), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:21 (two months ago) Permalink

There’s something there but he needs to spend more time refining his style if he wants to be a compelling rapper

Trϵϵship, Friday, 29 March 2019 08:24 (two months ago) Permalink

EVERYBODY BE COOL AND NOBODY GETS FP'd

The Xylems of the Limes (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 March 2019 08:28 (two months ago) Permalink

made it 12 seconds with the sound off

recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 March 2019 09:39 (two months ago) Permalink

Christ.

AlanSmithee, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:20 (two months ago) Permalink

not clicking that but I do like the sleazy Non Stop Erotic Cabaret, Soho at night vibes of Brillo Pad's set there

Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:22 (two months ago) Permalink

you... like it?

truly the human heart is fathomless

recreational colonoscopies 4 u (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:23 (two months ago) Permalink

I feel... a strange attraction

Neil S, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:24 (two months ago) Permalink

3 seconds

xyzzzz__, Friday, 29 March 2019 10:28 (two months ago) Permalink

Is a producer deliberately sabotaging this show? Feel like most people involved with it must realise how awful this is, maybe they just hate Andrew Neil, in which case fair enough I suppose.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:34 (two months ago) Permalink

Brillo Pad does not need sabotaging, he can do it very well on his own, thank you very much.

Don't Go Back to Brockville (Tom D.), Friday, 29 March 2019 10:50 (two months ago) Permalink

Non-Brexit News: I enjoyed writing a book so much that I’ve decided to write full-time. So after eight (!) brilliant years at the @NewStatesman I’m joining @TheAtlantic as a staff writer from July, covering the big shifts in the world, from populism to feminism.

— Helen Lewis (@helenlewis) March 29, 2019


What a loss.

gyac, Friday, 29 March 2019 15:37 (two months ago) Permalink

PLEASE RT: Today I have obtained a Court Order compelling Mumsnet Limited @MumsnetTowers to release the identification details of one of their users. The days of defaming, abusing, And harassing #transgender people on #Mumsnet behind the cloak of anonymity are over, #law pic.twitter.com/702YMg4vts

— Stephanie Hayden (@flyinglawyer73) April 8, 2019

could have gone in any number of threads but duck it, I’m posting it in this one.

The Times has been at the forefront of this shit in the broadsheets - I’m sure Janice Turner shits out another piece each week - and mumsnet has been an absolute shitshow of this for a long time. I’m not exaggerating when I say some of the discourse on there is too fucking awful even by the standards of k*w*farms.

Today the Times posted an absolute disgrace of a story - after them making up so many things the last year I’m not inclined to give them any benefit of the doubt - and this headline was fucking disgraceful. This is section 28 scaremongering again, and it has real consequences for the safety of trans people in the UK.

The Times: Calls to end transgender ‘experiment on children’ #tomorrowspaperstoday pic.twitter.com/tXBPlAtlYS

— Helena Lee (@BBCHelenaLee) April 7, 2019

tl;dr fuck the Timea, fuck Mumsnet, I wish only bad things on them.

gyac, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I had a meeting once in a Sure Start centre down the road. On the walls were blue tacked up inspirational quotes from anon from Mumsnet, Jo Cox and Steve Jobs!

calzino, Monday, 8 April 2019 18:23 (two months ago) Permalink

times is a rag

... and the crowd said DESELECT THEM (||||||||), Monday, 8 April 2019 18:23 (two months ago) Permalink


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