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That's funny. I didn't realize the sentence, "No need to catcall me, I'm already ashamed," wasn't in English.

And of course, no one has (or will) respond to what I said about _Never Mind The Bollocks_.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ethan: this is exactly what I was saying. They have the right to start the thread, Kate has the right to react, you and I have the right to gauge K's reaction and say 'right on' or 'steady on', etc. etc. Same thing exactly would happen - did happen w/Neuro - if you got riled on a hip-hop thread. "Let's maintain civility" is great but stuff like this is needed occasionally to work out where the line dividing 'civility' from not actually *is*.

Tom, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

okay i posted before i saw kate's response, so, to kate:

you say "I wish that some people would fucking THINK before they start spouting this crap. There would be no need for censorship, or administration at all if people could self-filter, and realise what is incendiary, and what is offensive, and what is just plain dumb and inappropriate for a public forum." talking about abortion in the manner that these people were is hardly worthy of administrator action. jesus, most of the posts were about cloning pop stars anyway, is that dumb and inappropiate? (well, dumb, yes, but if we took everything dumb out of the forum...well, i won't finish that sentence). the abortion jokes were admittedly tasteless, but not any moreso than a million other suicide/drug addict/ sexist/racist/nazi/whatever things i've ever read here. there's a lot of stupid people, and a lot of people who act stupider than usual when the chance comes up, but they weren't expressing any anger or hatred in the way that i saw your post as doing, which i think IS inappropiate for the forum.

ethan, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

New thread started on the Pistols. Aren't I nice.

Tom, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ethan, that's all very well and good, but haven't you reacted pretty much the same way when confronted with something offensive to you?

Nicole, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

How can you say the jokes were tasteless? THey were ABOUT taste!

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

nicole, i'll be the first to admit my initial response to that guy was stupid and brash, but i really had a point to make about disturbing misogyny and racism in his very-popular post. there's no point to be made about dumb abortion jokes unless you make some strenuous connection to sexism which wasn't even ever brought up.

ethan, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't think people should be told how they are supposed to respond to what's posted on the board.

You may not see that there was a point to made about this thread, I do think Kate had a point to make and had every reason to be offended. It's a matter of perspective. Because there are so many different people posting here there's likely to be big differences of opinion, but as long as people aren't trolling or out and out flaming one another (and I didn't see Kate's post as a flame) I don't see any reason to be telling people the proper form of action (or reaction). That's what C. Dolores Tucker et al. does.

Nicole, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

wait a minute, how is me telling kate that i don't think she should have posted what she did any different than her saying that everyone shouldn't have posted stuff about abortion, or any different than you telling me that i shouldn't have posted what i did to kate at first? you're telling me that you think i shouldn't tell other people what i think they shouldn't do?

ethan, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I can only see this leading to some sort of closed-loop argument like you had with neuro, so never mind.

Nicole, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ethan, there's a fine difference between telling people what they should post and telling people how they should respond to something that's already been posted. A very, very, very, very fine difference.

I think the thing that's been pissing me off about this whole thing is that I apologized for my comment when I wrote it, and then the entire thread was derailed into a "controversial" censorship discussion before I could derail it into a less controversial discussion about the Sex Pistols.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

how dare i say that i think a post is inappropiate! thank god plenty of other people were there to tell me that my post was inappropiate. and if i actually mention how stupid that logic is, just compare me to to some asshole flamer, it's all the same.

ethan, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

It's all down to what your hot-button issues are, really. That was the point I was trying to hint at.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

if i actually mention how stupid that logic is, just compare me to to some asshole flamer, it's all the same

I wasn't comparing you to neuro, I was just saying I didn't want to argue this point with you anymore because when you disagreed with him you wouldn't let it go.

I was hoping the same wouldn't happen with this thread, but oh well...

Nicole, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'll just sit self-righteously at the back knowing I didn't say anything related to the (admittedly stoopid) question, just about the Sex Pistols.

DG, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I envy you.

Dan Perry, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

WHy isn't anyone attacking me? I feel left out. :(

Mike Hanley, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Mike, you suck.

Like the pinefox, I have no idea what this thread means on any level.

Steven James, Tuesday, 5 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

four years pass...
bump

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:49 (eighteen years ago) link

this is kind of the best pistols song

ZR (teenagequiet), Monday, 14 November 2005 14:58 (eighteen years ago) link

one year passes...

yeah, you people were all as bad as jagger back then.

sanskrit, Saturday, 18 August 2007 14:07 (sixteen years ago) link

hi sanskrit! :D

mark s, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:39 (sixteen years ago) link

reading early ethan posts is like looking at a pollock still life of a vase with flowers

J0hn D., Saturday, 18 August 2007 21:23 (sixteen years ago) link

her name was pauline and lived in a twee

mark s, Saturday, 18 August 2007 21:25 (sixteen years ago) link


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