Jay-Z / Nas hip-hop throw down? & other throw-downs?

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i still think mobb won the mobb deep/tupac beef, and i swear i'm not just saying that because i like them better.

ethan, Friday, 31 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I am a Jay Z fan to the graveyard and feel personaly offended by the fact that lesser mcs such as nas, prodigy ,fat joe, and jayo felony even think that there skills are anywhere close enough to fuck with the God

Dean Cloud, Saturday, 1 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

i don't think he's really sweating fat joe, dude.

ethan, Saturday, 1 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Look you can only ride the success of an album for so long. Jay-Z's best album were Reasonable Doubt and Vol.1. This is because he took time to wrote lyrics, just listen to the lyrics in those albums compared to his later ones. Now it takes Jadakiss, Nas, and Mobb Deep to bring him back to his roots. Beats are good and nice, but lyrics is what hip hop and rap has always been about. Its what you say and how you say it, not who's beat you rhyme over. I speak of this as a rapper myself. You go to these talent showcases, especially in NJ and Philly, you will get booed off if you don't have tight lyrics. Jay-Z was in danger of selling out, in my opinion, he did what he said in his marcy to hollywood song. He got lazy and put his feet up and rode the fame, so niggas got on his shit. I'm here in Camden and most people are here are tried of Jay-Z and Beanie. I like Jay-Z and I have his new LP already...let's just say he ripped Nas and Prodigy on track 2. I have a question, what do yall think about Genovese's Fuck Y'all?

Ryan Groves, Saturday, 1 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If anyone has heard the bootleg of the "BLUEPRINT" you will agree, JAY HOVA is holdin down hip hop. The 2nd cut, "the Takeover" is aimed squarely at Nas and Prodigy (Mobb Deep) and Jay fore blows like "I don't care if your name is Mobb Deep I hold triggfers to crews/ you little f#$k I got mone stacks bigger than you / when I was pusin weight, back in 88/ You was a ballereena, I got the pictures, I seen ya" He goes on Prodigy for afull 16 bars and then goes at Nas with line like; "So yeah I sampled your voice, you was usin it wrong / you made it a hot line, I made it a hot song / And you aint get a coin, you was getting Fu#ked then / i know who I paid God, Searchlite publishing" Jay is really bringing it to NAS and Mobb Deep. I really can't see Nas or Prodigy seein him. Hova is on another level now, rap just seems too eay for him. Holla!

D. BLACK, Sunday, 2 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

damn. still not as hard as nas' first punch though.

ethan, Sunday, 2 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I feel Jay-Z is the best rapper at the moment, going through his albums from Hard Knock life he has non stop hits be it thugged out shit or be it 'commerical', but if Jay-Z was to ever claim he's the best of all time then it is a diferent story because that crown is with Tupac shakur i love Biggie but Tupac for me is in front.

there is so much competition now with more money involved that no one wants to fall off their game and if you don't go platinum it is considered wack, plenty of artists and albums never go platinum but are the shit. Examples LOX we are the streets, Jay-Z first album, Canibus, Big L, list goes on. If the best was based on skill then i would like to have seen a Canibus V Big L battle

I just hope this stays lyrical and not physical

Leon Francis A.KA. Vindicater, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yall hear that shit on the Blueprint..... The Jigga cut the fuck outta Nas.....its called "Takeover"....this jus proves that Jay-Z is the lyrical master of our time...excluding Eminem

AFRO pix, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z's the heir to Pac's crown, obviously. "The Blueprint" would be better if "Izzo", "Renegade" and the few tracks that don't fit in with the rest weren't on there. As an album it'd be much better if it was just one sound, because it's a fucking good sound when it's done right ("Heart Of The City", "Song Cry"). Yeah, and the Tip track's shit - Jay-Z doesn't love girls that much.

Greg, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"There's only so long fake thugs can pretend."

Greg, Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This entire thing is over Jay-Z claiming to be the best, yet at the same time Nas claimes Jay-Z raps about situations that arent real and never happened. Nas is by far a better lyrsist. the only reason people like Jay so much is because he rhymes about money and girls which is what sells right now. There isnt anything wrong about that. Nas-better rhymes JayZ-better business

L.J., Monday, 3 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Nas no doubt is better than Jay-Z lyrically. Jay just has mad money now and is living off his fame of Reasonable Doubt and Vol. 2. If those albums weren't tight, he'd probably end up like marky mark making wack ass movie a.k.a planet of the apes, three kings and etc... Plus with all this beef Jay got with everybody, I wouldn't be surprised if he got murked(2Pac, Biggie, Big L, etc....)Nas4ever

T.K. EEk, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Lyric Value....Jay-Z: $7.00....Nas: $10.00....Biggie/2Pac: Priceless They both are ok except Nas has the only album between the two who had an album to get five mics from "the source". Plus Jay-Z is too commercial and is trying to do too much by toastng everybody at once. I hope no one gets the death penalty in this feud. Also to Jay-Z, Don't burn your bridges cause no one can save you if they can't cross to help you.

Drevon Dingshon, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

y'all cats are too hung up on sales dont you know that money and sex sells and jigga being business minded knows that.if you consider lirical prowess aint nobody takin out nas.the late great notorius big himself left the game and started talking about money and hoes.l aint say nas never did that but he just never completely sold out like jigga.nas is a rapper and nobody better than him at his game.if rich kids dont like his shit coz they aint relate to it,that dont mean he is wack.l was feelin nas when he does a song where he personifies a gun,and tells its history.even pac copied that when he does me and my girlfriend.

wizard, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z was in danger of going completely lazy with his last album, which wasn't even a Jay-Z album despite the tag, it would've been major improved with the complete lack of the Roc-A-Fella crew. But I don't see all you people claiming that Vol 2 and Vol 3 are lazy and/or sell out works. They're tight. Big Pimpin' and Can I Get A... are easily as tight as Ain't No Nigga; I think a lot of people like to romanticise the idea that Jay-Z is all about Reasonable Doubt and went to commercialized shit after that.

His new album is fucking sweet, though. It kicks it, total return to top of the game form. I gotta laugh about "Girls Girls Girls" though - what the fuck is next, "I'm Not Gay (Not That There's ANything Wrong With It)"?

Ally, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

1st and foremost about being the best Mc...B.I.G."FOREVER" and i think JAy-Z and PUff had that nigga set up cuz they were the most successful after his death Jay-Z blew up outta no where..after he sucked big dick so much...listen to "i know what girls like f/puff n lil kim"..puff says"mo money "NO" more problems after bigs death...what a coincidence..hmm..and Jay-z spittin on the city is mine is like he was waiting for that shit to happen to Big..anyways if yall listen to music its alot of subliminal shit in it..i cant xplain all my points but if i did yall will agree..but as far as battling..Nas do need to wake up he is the best lyricist next to EMinem those are the best cuz they are very versatile and thats what rap is all about..Jay-Z is pussy cuz he picked nas out the whole bunch cuz nas is pussy too why he didnt respond to DMX,Jada,Jayo felony,charlie baltimore and 50 cent..he too pussy..jay's song the TAKE OVER IS hard but when NAS come back HE COMIN HARD..so JAY FUCKED UP DROPPIN 1st...AND BEANIE BATTLE VERSE WAS LONG BUT NO HARDER THAN JADA's COMBACK ON THAT DISCO BEAT..BEANS WAS SPITTIN NONSENSE ON SOME BARS TRYNA STRETCH THE SONG..AND STYLES ATE JIGGA ASS ON FUNK FLEX..THATS THE NIGGA TO WATCH IN THE GAME ON THE LOW YA HEARD..THE GHOST"

Vashon Brown, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

First of all i must say that, I have not been feeling Jigga Man since his 1st LP when he was know as Jay-Z. I must say That this album "the Blueprint is a classic! This is better than the his first effort to me. Jay-Z got lyrics and metaphors but all jokes aside Jay-Z can't see Nas. Nas and Jay-Z are on different levels. Jay-Z was on some on commerical shyt. Nas is a Street Poet he spit reality and that's what i like about Nas. I'm glad the ESCOBAR is dead and NAS is back to his illmatic and it was written days. To me to Selling units don't prove that you are a better rapper. Jay-Z can sell 30 millions album for all that i care, I know one thing for sure Jay-Z can't see GhostFace!!! Peace

Wise_Born, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Selling units has nothing to do with anything, Jay-Z just is way less boring than Nas. Probably because he's gay, gay people are fantastic.

(yes, I am just posting shite now, what do you want to do about it? Step up.)

Ally, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Me, I just like the new Jay-Z album besides it sounds like what happens when a man with more money than sense thinks he's god. Entertainment! As pure a cocaine delusion experience as you'll get in these sad times, and it's sickeningly pretty to boot.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The songs are all gorgeous, he's got the production of the gods, at the very least.

Ally, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Oh, and noteworthy news: The Blueprint has been pushed up yet another week to September 11th (from original date of September 25th) due to bootlegging. Hopefully this doesn't imply last minute switch outs like it did last time...

Ally, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I'm going to make this short if THE GOD M.C. HOLDS HIS OWN SPITTIN WIT THE WHITE GOD M.C. (eminem) ALL YOUR QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS GREATNESS WILL BE ANSWERED. BECAUSE NOONE CAN SPIT LINE FOR LINE WIT EMINEM AND GET HIGHLIGHTS.

Ha Ha Ha you'll never know, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

True.

Greg, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why can't threads about the Strokes and Atomic Kitten be more like this? Where are we going wrong?

Heard the single today at least - very good stuff. Very very good.

Tom, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

After listening to the BLUEPRINT (again and again!!!) I have decided that it is classic material. Yes Illmatic may be better a better ablum but Jay's new shit is classic ***** (five star) material. Check out "All I need" and "The RUler's Back" for examples. NAS 's biggest problem was getting involved in the playa shit. His last best joints were from "It was written" I know that Nas can spit, but is it tooooo late for him to catch up? Second, does anyone really think tat Jada, Jayo felony and Charlie (i'm only around b/c I fucked Biggie) Baltimore can really handle Jay??? I don;t think so! I think the Nas / Jay Z battle is the best thing for a watered down hip-hop nation. Maybe you younger cats will get the opportunity to get classic material from the top mc's like we did from the KRS v. Juice Crew battles.

ONE

D. BLACK, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why can't threads about the Strokes and Atomic Kitten be more like this?

First the Strokes and Atomic Kitten would have to be as entertaining as Jay-Z, see. ;-)

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Well, if Atomic Kitten would just cooperate and have an old skool throwdown with All Saints, we could get somewhere.

Ally, Tuesday, 4 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yoyoyo, i wanted to let all you real ass loc'z , they still some of us ridin for pac and da outlawz...screw all dis commercial bull gon on rite now, if pac was here, he'd blow shit up. look man, i from kweenz i aint even liking dis shit , -SAPAVELLI DA DON SAP AL SAPONE!

sapavelli tha don, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Man listen R.O.C we running this rap shit Jay hova 6 albums Nas 4 Jay- Z first album 1996 Nas first album 1993

Stan Cunningham, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Upper West Side has destroyed my brain, because I have no idea what those last two posts are on about.

Ally, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

If it's implying that Pac wasn't commercial and Jay Z's better than Nas because he's made more albums and shit then I don't understand it either.

Greg, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Okay, so we got the same thing from it, I'm not just being a moron.

PS The Takeover is some fucking great shit, I can't stop listening to it.

Ally, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

This is for that idiot that said that 2Pac is the greatest of all time. How many records did Pac sell off his first two albums? How many did Biggie sell? Thank you! Don't compare all of 2Pac's albums to Biggie's 2.

Smokey, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I don't know exactly why Nas is dissin Hov but I don't think he's hatin like dem other cats(Prodigy & Jay-O Felony). Dem cats ain't got shit, won't be shit. Nas does have something to prove. His first album is considered a classic by almost everyone but it didn't even go gold. After that he's been trying to flip his style to sell more records. What happened though, these fools were crazy tight. Jig was always shouting out Nas in his songs. "Niggas argue all day about who's the best MC, Biggie, Jay-Z or Nas" , "Tits firm like Nas, Nature, Fox and A-Z". It's crazy. "Some how the rap game reminds me of the crack game". Jay-Z does look like a prophet. He said in vol. 1 "Don't worry about Brooklyn I'll continue your fame...you held it down long enough, let me take those reigns". He's held it down like no other since Biggie left. In vol.2 he said "I'll sell mo records than Will Smith" Will was second to Hov. Everyone's talking about NYC best but no mention of DMX.

Smokey, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Does DMX ride a BMX?

DG, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Yo Did YALL HEAR THE BLUEPRINT???? JAY HELD IT DOWN AND IS STILL THE HOTTEST NIGGA IN THE STREETS HE PROVED HIMSELF ONCE AGAIN. SO NIGGAS NEED TO STOP HATIN(jada,prodigy)CAUSE TO ME KISSTHAGAMEGOOD-BYE WAS A DISSAPOINTMENT AND DIDNT EVEN GO GOLD AND HE PLAYED NAS THE FUCK OUT ON TRACK #2(YOU WENT FORM TOP TEN TO NOT BEING METIONED AT ALL TILL YOR BODY GAURDS VERSE ON OOCHI WALLIE WAS BETTER THAN YOURS MATER OF FACT YOU HAD THE WORSE VERSE ON THE WHOLE FUCKIN SONG!!!)

, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

First of all to say Prodigy ain't got shit, Mobb Deep's Infamous album is considered just as classic as Illmatic. Check Shook Ones Pt 2. Anyway, Roc-A-Fella will get fucked six ways from sunday in a battle against QB. Period. Prodigy will respond, like with any conflict, the one you hear most recent seems to be the best. Just wait. And also no producer Jay-z gets is half as sick as Havoc.

jesse smith, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Can I just say I'm down with the fact, learnt today, that Jay-Z's pushed up release now competes directly with Mariah's new "opus", Glitter? TAKE THE BITCH DOWN. I'll buy two copies to fuck with that girl.

Ally, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Anyone out there who believes that Nas' verse to Jay on Stillmatic is close to Jay's verse (or song) to him is crazy. All questions about who the God MC is should be answered from song number 2 on The Blueprint. There is no comparison. No one has the total package like Jay. None!! How can anyone speak Nas' name in the same sentence. Like Jay said...He has a "One-hot-album-every-ten-year- average"! Career over...Lights out N___as

MainmanSean, Wednesday, 5 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

The Blue Print Is SICK!! Nas has to go back to the drawing Board..HOVA will have a 5 mic classic this time around.

Will C, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Okay, I reviewed the album, but I'm too lazy to summarize or repost so just go here if you want to discuss what I thought of it with me.

Ally, Thursday, 6 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

yo was up if you ask me nas is just pissed of seeing jay-z fake ass face on tv. my best advice for jay-z is to not answer back to nas diss because if he does nas will destory him. nas lyrics are too powerfull to compare with jay-z. my best advice for jay-z is before he decide to answer back listen to nas joinz like e.g. the message, the firm bizz, if i ruled the work, nas is like to let him know that he is going against a very hard mutherfucken hore rapper

MedEsco, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Who cares if Pac's first 2 albums didn't sell as much as Big. Pac and Big were not gods because of their albums. They were gods because of their charisma. Pac was a revolutionary who has sold more records(33 mil) than any rapper ever (Mc Hammer/Will Smith are second with 20 mill and then big with 16 mill). Type in Tupac in any web browser and see how many fuckin hits you get. Then type in big and see how many you get. No contest muhphukas. Pac is a phenomenon.

Don Juan, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Ohmigoodness, did'ja hear Jay-Z's NEWEST comeback record to Nas? No, not "The Takeover" on The Blueprint, but he's got a new one that I'm banking will shut "Nasty" Nas up good; it's called "I Will Not Lose", and here's a sample:

"...niggas wanna play Hov' for pussy / I'll grab you by your fuckin' chipped tooth and send you home, you wussy / Talkin' bout, "Nas Is Like", I'll rob you of your life / You better just drop the mic / Or I'll murder you with this pocketknife / Hov' stay gutter / Hoes won't mutter / When I melt Escobitch like homemade butter..."

If ya'll ain't heard it by NOW, ya' better cop the MP3...Nas is aiight, but Hov' is the GOD! Undoubtedly, he is nice like librarians at closing time. Holla!

Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

"I'll murder you with this pocketknife" sounds like something I've said to someone before.

Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

I've written better rhymes than that.

Greg, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

But wait, there's more! Peep the second verse:

"...feminist women love Jigga Man / Chikka-chikka look at Nas Esco, I'm sick of him / Look at him / Walkin' around with fake answers and all / I'll throw him cancerous barbs / Yeah, but he's so wack though / I got a pitbull that eats sheep and spits wool / And chews on Nasty Nas's flesh until its stomach gets full / This nigga skipped school / Barely went to class, thinkin' shit's cool Hid a loaded pistol under this retarded kid's stool..."

I'm tellin' you, Hov' is gutter like a bowling alley. Peep the REAL Blueprint LP, due next week! Holla!

Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Why don't you just admit that you're Ja Rule?

ALly, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Admit that I'm Ja Rule? I don't get it, ALly.

Danny "Puffy" Swain, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Holla, Puffy.

Ally, Friday, 7 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

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ITBEME, Tuesday, 9 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z's album was more of a beat album cuz if u listen closely he is bout to fall off in the eyes and ears of true rap fans. In almost every song he is riding BIG's dick or stealing BIG's lyrics word for word or other artists for that matter(2PAC, etc.). He'll never be what he once was cuz his not creative enough. If you want proof listen to his album with R. Kelly or the dynasty; they both are garbage albums with no quality material like reasonable doubt. Nas is better than Jay-Z because stillmatic had more meaning and substance and more of a point. I do agree that Nas did fall off himself after he made nastradamus but he now back on top. The only reason Jay-z has had more success is because Jay-Z is more mainstream than Nas, which is also why great lyricists such as Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli. And even Pac had better lyrics than Jay-Z during his Makaveli point because each word had a point and served a purpose("We probably in Hell already/Our dumbasses not knowin/Everybody kissin ass to go to Heaven aint goin-Blasphemy). If thats not a true lyric then i dont know what is...

A.J., Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

Jay-Z's blueprint was more of a beat album cuz if u listen closely he is bout to fall off in the eyes and ears of true rap fans. In almost every song he is riding BIG's dick or stealing BIG's lyrics word for word or other artists for that matter(2PAC, etc.). He'll never be what he once was cuz his not creative enough. If you want proof listen to his album with R. Kelly or the dynasty; they both are garbage albums with no quality material like reasonable doubt. Nas is better than Jay-Z because stillmatic had more meaning and substance and more of a point. I do agree that Nas did fall off himself after he made nastradamus but he now back on top. The only reason Jay-z has had more success is because Jay-Z is more mainstream than Nas, which is also why great lyricists such as Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli. And even Pac had better lyrics than Jay-Z during his Makaveli point because each word had a point and served a purpose("We probably in Hell already/Our dumbasses not knowin/Everybody kissin ass to go to Heaven aint goin-Blasphemy). If thats not a true lyric then i dont know what is...

A.J., Wednesday, 17 April 2002 00:00 (twenty-two years ago) link

one month passes...
Those who don't know 50 cent need to get up on a bootleg or a mixtape or something. In "How to Rob", the hook says that "this ain't serious...". He ALWAYS gives Biggie AND Pac their props, and you can hear their influence in his work. Not copying, but strictly influence. He doesn't HAVE to borrow their lines. This proves that he knows his shit. 50 is the best all-around rapper. Why? Because his syle is so versatile. If you listen to his shit, on the collabo songs, soimetimes you can't tell when its him. True it does take some listening, but he RIPS it. I didn't know nothing about 50 cent, but all it took was to listen to the bootleg of Power of a Dollar, and EVERYBODY I know likes his shit. Ya'll need to hear the song with Beyonce. (girls) Also, 50 is one of the few that REALLY lived through some shit worth rapping about. Rappers who take it to the next level are on some shit... then when people like me go to congress fighting for the reputation of hip-hop, we don't have aleg to stand on.

nopoetrywinUhearit, Friday, 24 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

three weeks pass...
andre 3000 from outkast, can take jay z or nas, FINAL. I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT THIS.

von p, Thursday, 20 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Von! Nigga, you gotta hear this. What the hell is your problem?! Andre 3000 of Outcast, messing with Nas or Jay-Z?! You gotta be gay. LAUGH AT HIM! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! -- Dodge Rimus

Dodge Rimus, Wednesday, 26 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

first of all jay-z makes hits period. he isnt deep his lyrical content is garbage. why dont you cats pick up some real hip hop records and stop listening to the radio. the blueprint has no structure to it. its just 13 songs to make money and play on the radio. why dont you cats pick up a roots record or something. here goes some names for you niggas who stay on the fm radio station: black thought, common, slum village, mos and talib,gangstarr. oh and andre 3000 is that nigga. nas keep doing your thing. that nigga jay-z is mute right about now.

ryan myers, Saturday, 29 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

four months pass...
Some screws might be loose in his head..

Devaughn..., Tuesday, 12 November 2002 03:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

I've been reading over the comments posted and respect everyone of them. For my 2cents I wanna say that lyrically Nas has it. If your life has any depth to it that is a hands down argument. His rymes are well thought out and meaningful. His inspiration is spiritual. I don't agree with everything he says but that's me. However I do know that Jay-Z's lyrics have the depth of the air above the sears tower. Not that he can't get deep. I will not Judge him. I just believe that he has learned a valuable lesson from Nas. The masses Don't buy truth but Debauch in Hype and Pleasure. Holla Back

Da Kernerl, Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:10 (twenty-one years ago) link

one month passes...
Yo most of u fucks dont even listen to rap yall just lookin for whats n for expample.....girls,money n cars yall forget tha #1 rule in rap n thats rymes who is tha best poet not fuckin glam n glory.....by far nas is better then jay-z nas is a true spoken person jay fell off big time wit tha tryin to fit in bullshit...........whos tha best emcees pac/big equal nas eminem and 50 cent bet none of yall ever heard of him till he blew up this/last year

steve newman, Monday, 13 January 2003 21:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

For one I Lisen to rap and 50 CCent has always be bull and he always will be Jay Z is the best rappa a;ive right nowmaybe besides Eminem cuz he's cold

DeMontez "The G" Campbell, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 02:23 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Tes, Tom.... y'all readin' this?


Hey look! I got the last word up in this m*thaf*cker

nick.K (nick.K), Tuesday, 8 April 2003 13:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

two months pass...
Nas Vs. Jay-Z is over.50Cent came and just took off with the throne of Prince of New York(BIGGIE is still King).Nas is a different type of rapper anyway,he delivers real messages in his songs.Jay-Z is just a Pop Arisit.In 20 years from now we'll look back and see that Nas was truly one of the greatest ever.

CBud AKA CPoppa, Monday, 7 July 2003 06:33 (twenty years ago) link

Jay-Z is just another fuckin Will Smith... Except he WILL swear... Fuck!? Whats the last song you heard from Jay-Z where the lyrics actually meant something... I dont say hes not successful... He is when you look at record sales and air-play, but In the eyes of true Hip-Hop/Rap believers in the religeon... He sucks... He doesnt say shit... If it wasn't for the dope producers who just wanna to be accociated with the name and fame of Jigga-man, he would have no hits... If you put all ofJays lyrics on an unknown producers tracks that suck... who would care? Its the hot beats [mostly samples, now every song has a high-pitched oldie female in the background and hook] that carry the sucker. Suge Knight sad the Tupac didn't really hate Jay-Z. I dont' think Suge was paying much attention, As a matter of fact I dont think Suge was as close to 'Pac as he made it look... All he say was $$$$$. Back to Roc-a-Fella. Personally, I think they're wack as fuck. Cams a good lyricist but he rhymes the same words like 3x and says nothing important to the game, life or to his fans. Beanie, i really cant understand how these dudes got deals!!! I think it has something to do with how they act, not rap. Its like murder INC with BLACK CHILD, he sucks but hes a jail motha fucka.

Now let me speak on MURDER INC. Ja is R&B now, make no mistake, he sings y'all. 50 has a good arguement. Stop singing and ill stop dissing. [Or something tot hat effect] Ja Rule should not have stepped to Eminem, Eminem is probably the best freestyle artists ever heard in mainstream. I can't believe his shit. Ja cant even freestyle... Ever heard him? You're right, cause u cant hear it dont mean it aint there. He rips off Pac... so does Nas... everyother beat was Pacs 1st, puts himself on 2Pac songs... Suge said that the Nas/Pac songs 'Thugz Mansion' was disrespectful... So do I.... I think the Ja/Pac song 'Pain' was disrespectful... 50/Biggie song 'Niggaz' was straight because BIG didnt hate on people... Ahgain MURDER INC is suckin off 2Pac with 'The Pledge'. Notice how it sounds like 'Shed So Many Tears' but theres no sample info? Oh yeah, Irv made it up by himself. Then put Pac on the remix, still no sample info? What the fuck!? THEN! Then hes got 'Murder Me' By Ja, bassline is the same as 2Pacs unreleased version of 'When we ride on our enemies' Im a make a ist right here...

Original - Copy - Aspect
___________________________________________________________
Pac/Troublesome 96 - Nas/If I Ruled The World - Beat
Pac/All Eyez On Me - Nas/Street Dreams - Whole Track
Pac/Papaz Song - Ja/Only Begotten Son - Lyric
Pac/Pain - Ja/So Much Pain - Beat and Sampled Pacs Words
Pac/When we ride on our enemies - Ja/Murder Me - Bassline
Pac/Worldwide Mob Figgaz - Ja/Worldwide Gangstas - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Nas/Money Is My Bitch - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Jay-Z/03 Binnie N Clyde - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Irv Gotti/Me N MY Boyfriend - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Mariah Carey/How Much - Hook
Pac/California Love [Remix] - Freddie Foxxx/Konexion - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Lil Wayne/Way Of Life - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Snoop Dogg/**Cant remember the song** - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Eminem/Quitter - Beat
Pac/Dear Mama - TQ/Westside - Beat


PS remember in "Ether" when Nas dissed JAy-Z for callin his album 'Blueprint' and KRS already did that? Well Nas wasnt dissin Jay for copyin KRS b4 that, but Nas's next album was called THE LOST TAPES... theres a CD in stores you can buy called 'THE LOST TAPES' guess who its by!%2

Eastonatti, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

Jay-Z is just another fuckin Will Smith... Except he WILL swear... Fuck!? Whats the last song you heard from Jay-Z where the lyrics actually meant something... I dont say hes not successful... He is when you look at record sales and air-play, but In the eyes of true Hip-Hop/Rap believers in the religeon... He sucks... He doesnt say shit... If it wasn't for the dope producers who just wanna to be accociated with the name and fame of Jigga-man, he would have no hits... If you put all ofJays lyrics on an unknown producers tracks that suck... who would care? Its the hot beats [mostly samples, now every song has a high-pitched oldie female in the background and hook] that carry the sucker. Suge Knight sad the Tupac didn't really hate Jay-Z. I dont' think Suge was paying much attention, As a matter of fact I dont think Suge was as close to 'Pac as he made it look... All he say was $$$$$. Back to Roc-a-Fella. Personally, I think they're wack as fuck. Cams a good lyricist but he rhymes the same words like 3x and says nothing important to the game, life or to his fans. Beanie, i really cant understand how these dudes got deals!!! I think it has something to do with how they act, not rap. Its like murder INC with BLACK CHILD, he sucks but hes a jail motha fucka.

Now let me speak on MURDER INC. Ja is R&B now, make no mistake, he sings y'all. 50 has a good arguement. Stop singing and ill stop dissing. [Or something tot hat effect] Ja Rule should not have stepped to Eminem, Eminem is probably the best freestyle artists ever heard in mainstream. I can't believe his shit. Ja cant even freestyle... Ever heard him? You're right, cause u cant hear it dont mean it aint there. He rips off Pac... so does Nas... everyother beat was Pacs 1st, puts himself on 2Pac songs... Suge said that the Nas/Pac songs 'Thugz Mansion' was disrespectful... So do I.... I think the Ja/Pac song 'Pain' was disrespectful... 50/Biggie song 'Niggaz' was straight because BIG didnt hate on people... Ahgain MURDER INC is suckin off 2Pac with 'The Pledge'. Notice how it sounds like 'Shed So Many Tears' but theres no sample info? Oh yeah, Irv made it up by himself. Then put Pac on the remix, still no sample info? What the fuck!? THEN! Then hes got 'Murder Me' By Ja, bassline is the same as 2Pacs unreleased version of 'When we ride on our enemies' Im a make a ist right here...

Original - Copy - Aspect
___________________________________________________________
Pac/Troublesome 96 - Nas/If I Ruled The World - Beat
Pac/All Eyez On Me - Nas/Street Dreams - Whole Track
Pac/Papaz Song - Ja/Only Begotten Son - Lyric
Pac/Pain - Ja/So Much Pain - Beat and Sampled Pacs Words
Pac/When we ride on our enemies - Ja/Murder Me - Bassline
Pac/Worldwide Mob Figgaz - Ja/Worldwide Gangstas - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Nas/Money Is My Bitch - Concept
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Jay-Z/03 Binnie N Clyde - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Irv Gotti/Me N MY Boyfriend - Beat & Hook
Pac/Me N My Girlfriend - Mariah Carey/How Much - Hook
Pac/California Love [Remix] - Freddie Foxxx/Konexion - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Lil Wayne/Way Of Life - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Snoop Dogg/**Cant remember the song** - Beat
Pac/Hit Em Up - Eminem/Quitter - Beat
Pac/Dear Mama - TQ/Westside - Beat


PS remember in "Ether" when Nas dissed JAy-Z for callin his album 'Blueprint' and KRS already did that? Well Nas wasnt dissin Jay for copyin KRS b4 that, but Nas's next album was called THE LOST TAPES... theres a CD in stores you can buy called 'THE LOST TAPES' guess who its by!!! Tupac Amaru Shakur... Nas is a Hypocrit, Jay-Z sucks, Murder INC sings, ROCAFELLA needs to start makin sense, The NAS vsJAYZ beef was publicity. 50 vs JA RULE moves to JA RULE vs AFTERMATH/SHADY and MURDER INC vs 50. Still theres EMINEM vs BENZINO [NAIL IN THE COFFIN was the sickest diss ive heard since HIT EM UP]

dONE

pEACE
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lUV

EASTON out the 315
NY 13057

Eastonatti, Wednesday, 9 July 2003 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

three weeks pass...
Yo! y are they bringin' SisQo in this!? That boy needs to be left alone! I'm sick of dis shit! Everytime some kinda beef start, they always bring my boy up in there! Fuck all y'all haters of Dru Hill & SisQo! That bein' said...

Dru Hill Fan < Scorpio, Wednesday, 30 July 2003 06:15 (twenty years ago) link

Dave matthews could kick both their asses. DAVE ROX UR ALL GAY YOU RAP FANS.
Dave Matthews Band : Name Your Reasons Why They Are So Bad & Hated.

Dave Matthews Band Fan, Thursday, 31 July 2003 15:08 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, but who'd win in a brawl. A skinny white crypto-hippy or two hardened ghetto-mastas. They'd have to scrape Dafe Mettews off the floor with a very thin spatula.

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Thursday, 31 July 2003 20:23 (twenty years ago) link

one month passes...
u ugly

39p5tasefhai, Wednesday, 24 September 2003 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

Just head to part four.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 24 September 2003 02:55 (twenty years ago) link


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