Best Elvis Costello Album

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unironically and unintentionally bad playing or singing

Wait, so if they're ironic they're okay??

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:02 (seventeen years ago) link

They're harder to judge as good or bad, they make technical problems moot. The Germs' cover of "Sugar Sugar" is the song I always think of in this regard -- really, really bad, but intentionally bad, entertainingly bad.

xhuxk, do you make or see a distinction between "fave" and "best"?

Rock Hardy, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:19 (seventeen years ago) link

it makes sense that geir like imperial bedroom the best.

i guess i'll go w/armed forces (slightly) over this year's model.

M@tt He1ges0n, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:30 (seventeen years ago) link

i voted for trust becuz i used to listen lots to him and haven't listened much recently but its a sentimental fave for some reason and its rilly hard to think thru his output since there's so much and its all so the same and so difft all at once and fully sophisticated elvis became a bit of a turn-off for me and trust seems more the cusp album.

armed forces is great fun tho.

s.clover, Saturday, 21 April 2007 07:53 (seventeen years ago) link

I went for This Year Model too, but my second fave is the often overlooked Get Happy. (I don't know exactlly who is doing this overlooking, but you all know what I mean)

Sandy Blair, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:23 (seventeen years ago) link

xhuxk, do you make or see a distinction between "fave" and "best"?

Didn't I already answer this? (Anyway, No.)

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link

Seems to me that the criteria you should be using to determine bestness should be the same as the criteria you're using to determine favoriteness. Anything else strikes me as dishonest (and the criteria you listed above struck me as really vague and random, for the most part. They matter when they make you like a record more or less; if they don't do that, why care about them?)

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:52 (seventeen years ago) link

intentionally bad, entertainingly bad

Also, these are two completely different things. Sometimes they go hand in hand; sometimes they don't.

xhuxk, Saturday, 21 April 2007 09:55 (seventeen years ago) link

bump

JN$OT, Thursday, 26 April 2007 08:21 (seventeen years ago) link

i think "model" is Elvis at his best. i.e. angry and spewing venom. Trust is an exception to that "rule"- Great record!!

outdoor_miner, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

"Get Happy." But I fell for the weirdness ("Side One/Side A" or something like that)on the LP release, started playing it on side 2 and the record is absolutely, positively better by far starting with "I Can't Stand Up For Falling Down", ending first side with "Riot Act", side two starting with "Love For Tender" and ending with "High Fidelity." Try it. I'm right, dammit! Plus there was this Ian Penman review of the record in NME that praised the three-song cycle "Temptation", "Opportunity", and "Possession." Got to listen to it backwards for that to work.

ellaguru, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:45 (seventeen years ago) link

A resounding result here then.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 27 April 2007 01:55 (seventeen years ago) link

imperial bedroom is easier to admire than actually like.

i just listened to it the other day...it's really amazingly fussed over (the guy that recorded my band called it "relentlessly baroque" which kinda pegs it)...but at the end of the day, you finally realize that a whole lot of effort and production is being expelled to cover up the fact that elvis just isn't writing songs as good as he used to (which some exceptions like "beyond belief" and "man out of time", plus others)

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 27 April 2007 15:27 (seventeen years ago) link

I figured This Year's Model would win, but not by this much.

As for Imperial Bedroom, I almost never put it on, but it does have You Little Fool belongs on the Mount Rushmore of EC songs.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 27 April 2007 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link

I wish I could find the thread where James Blount describes Imperial Bedroom as a really drunken-sounding Elvis, which I agree with and which helped me hear the record a little differently. "Fussed over," perhaps, but Elvis does sound half-corked through much of it, too, and I think that helps offset the fussiness somewhat (compare, say, "And in Every Home" with the Beatles "She's Leaving Home," which everyone compared at the time; the former sounds way more controlled and fussy). By no means my favourite EC album, but it has half a dozen great tracks (though it probably portended to everything that eventually became really boring about him).

Was glad to see at least one vote for Punch the Clock but disappointed that Blood and Chocolate and Spike both beat out King of America--that's nutty.

sw00ds, Friday, 27 April 2007 16:25 (seventeen years ago) link

the former sounds way more controlled and fussy

Oops - I mean the latter, of course.

sw00ds, Friday, 27 April 2007 16:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Il Sogno 1
The Juliet Letters 1


These are joke votes, right? I haven't even heard of Il Sogno.

sw00ds, Friday, 27 April 2007 16:29 (seventeen years ago) link

The second half of Imperial Boredom has a half-dozen also-rans, though. Definitely Elvis on autopilot. Meanwhile I reheard Goodbye Cruel World for the first time in years and thought the likes of "Peace in Our Time" sounded great, so...

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 27 April 2007 16:31 (seventeen years ago) link

There are definitely things on side two of Imperial Boudoir I could care less about.

sw00ds, Friday, 27 April 2007 16:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i'm not a big fan of imperial boardroom, but side two has all the stuff on it that i like! "kid about it," "you little fool," "town cryer."

fact checking cuz, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:46 (seventeen years ago) link

People like Spike? I thought that was universally slagged off?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 27 April 2007 18:49 (seventeen years ago) link

"Imperial Bedroom" is genius. The sound of an angry young man finally growing up and giving more priority to sophistication and cleverness rather than anger. And that is definitely a good thing.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:53 (seventeen years ago) link

It is?

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:54 (seventeen years ago) link

No.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 27 April 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

God, that's more than enough to sway me. Imperial Broadloom sucks!

sw00ds, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Where are my three other friends who voted for Trust? Even though it's got 2 of his worst-ever songs, (Shot With His Own Gun & Fish and Chip Paper) the rest is the best-ever EC. Pretty Words, Watch Your Step, Lovers Walk, etc. Untouchable.

kornrulez6969, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link

"Clubland" is great, but other than that I have never seen the greatness of "Trust". It may have been sort of a preparation for "Imperial Bedroom", but sophisticated music needs sophisticated production to work.

Geir Hongro, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:32 (seventeen years ago) link

i am kinda surprised that armed forces didn't do better, that's what i voted for...

M@tt He1ges0n, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:41 (seventeen years ago) link

I voted for Trust (and "Shot With His Own Gun" -- his most ironic hence best self-loating number -- is great).

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:45 (seventeen years ago) link

*self-loathing

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 27 April 2007 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

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hopefully because it's a comp, right?

abanana, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:02 (seventeen years ago) link

i voted for trust and i'm genuinely shocked that geir isn't a fan. "new lace sleeves," FFS!

fact checking cuz, Friday, 27 April 2007 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link

one year passes...

Get Happy! is the best Elvis Costello album. Imperial Bedroom and Armed Forces deserve and honourable mention - they take the other podium spots. i am cool with folks liking This Year's Model but its landslide in this poll seems kinda nutty.

Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 9 August 2008 06:04 (fifteen years ago) link

The Juliet Letters 1

WAHT

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Autumn Almanac, Saturday, 9 August 2008 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

i am cool with folks liking This Year's Model but its landslide in this poll seems kinda nutty.

Agreed. Although the correct answer is "Imperial Bedroom".
Also, "Brutal Youth" gets way too little love.

Geir Hongro, Sunday, 10 August 2008 01:55 (fifteen years ago) link

four years pass...

this years model - 35 years old. wow.

nonightsweats, Sunday, 17 March 2013 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

If you ignore Spike and put Imperial Bedroom below Blood & Chocolate these results are how I would rate his seven classic albums. Punch The Clock and Brutal Youth are the only albums of his I like, but they're quite patchy.

Kitchen Person, Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:00 (eleven years ago) link

Man, EC made some good, really original music, and I think the only reason he's not rated higher these days is that he made too much music.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 March 2013 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

Turning 30 is hard on an EC fan. I have no interest in him now. Maybe after 40...?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 March 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

five years pass...

Revenge and guilt!.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 13:37 (five years ago) link

Armed Forces too low

Blecch, where is thy Zing? (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 14 August 2018 13:55 (five years ago) link

Brutal Youth should have had more than 0 votes

PaulTMA, Tuesday, 14 August 2018 20:49 (five years ago) link

I'd have thought "Get Happy" would have walked this.

Mark G, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 07:16 (five years ago) link

Alfred. Alfred. Goodbye Cruel World shouldn't even be on there - are you challopsing?

My list would probably be

1. My Aim Is True
2. Punch the Clock
3. Almost Blue
4. All This Useless Beauty
5. King of America

6-142. Everything else in no particular order

some kind of meunster (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 07:35 (five years ago) link

one year passes...

A "Consumer Guide" style assessment:

My Aim Is True - A+
This Year's Model - A+
Live at the El Mocambo - A
Live at Hollywood High - A
Armed Forces - A+
Get Happy! - A
Ten Bloody Marys & Ten How's Your Fathers - A
Trust - A
Almost Blue - Neither
Imperial Bedroom - A
Punch the Clock - ("Pills and Soap," "Shipbuilding," "Everyday I Write the Book") **
Goodbye Cruel World - dud (though Rhino's bonus disc is an A-)
King of America - A (get a version with bonus tracks like "King of Confidence")
Blood and Chocolate - A
Out of Our Idiot - A-
Spike - ("Tramp the Dirt Down") * (Rhino's bonus disc gets a B+)
Mighty Like a Rose - choice cuts: "The Other Side of Summer," "So Like Candy"
The Juliet Letters - Dud
Brutal Youth - ("Sulky Girl") ***
Kojak Variety - Neither
All This Useless Beauty - B+
Painted from Memory - B+
When I Was Cruel - A-
North - Dud
Il Sogno - Neither (I never saw the ballet it was meant to accompany)
The Delivery Man - ("Country Darkness," "There's a Story in Your Voice," "Monkey to Man") ***
The River in Reverse - ("The River in Reverse," "Ascension Day," "International Echo") *
Momofuku - ("Stella Hurt") *
Secret, Profane & Sugarcane - ("Sulphur to Sugarcane") *
National Ransom - ("Jimmie Standing in the Rain," "Church Underground") **
Wise Up Ghost - B+
Look Now - ("Unwanted Number," "The Final Mrs. Curtain") *

birdistheword, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link

Forgot one:
Costello & Nieve - A (my favorite WB and Universal-era release)

birdistheword, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 22:42 (three years ago) link

KOA has waaaay too much filler to get A treatment. It's more like one of the most stunning of B+ albums.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 June 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link

I wouldn't fight those grades. KOA has a couple of A+ songs, but sure, it's not one of his absolute best albums. Still, it's remarkable how many great records he has made to still have so many people take him for granted, or worse, dismiss him. There are a handful of acts (weirdly, often in the same orbit) that never really got bad, per se, they just got set aside almost (literally?) carelessly. Costello, Los Lobos, Robert Cray, I dunno, John Hiatt? People obviously still care, but it's not like they released a string of stinkers or something.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link

I almost gave KOA an A- because of that filler. I went with an A because I never had a version without the outtake "King of Confidence," and I never listened to this on vinyl, so it was very easy to skip over "Glitter Gulch," "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood," and "Eisenhower Blues" with little effort. That leaves 12 tracks from the original 15, more than enough for an LP, and slotting in "King of Confidence" would make that baker's dozen an A+ in my book (and possibly my favorite EC album). So an A seemed like a good compromise.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 23:09 (three years ago) link

I would say Los Lobos, Robert Cray and John Hiatt were in EC and Nick Lowe's mid-to-late '80s orbit while Graham Parker, Joe Jackson and Marshall Crenshaw felt more like their orbit before then. They're all generally good though Joe Jackson and Robert Cray are a bit iffy - I kind of go back and forth on Cray, but I was stunned to find out that Robert Christgau gave "Strong Persuader" an A+. Greil Marcus's takedown was generally too harsh, but I can't say his criticism's were wrong either. I've warmed to him over time, but he seems like a central part of a "movement" that never actually went anywhere (specifically the back-to-roots scene of the late '80s). Los Lobos made at least one great record in that mold, then they went on to do more interesting work. I think Hiatt's a fine songwriter, and his earlier albums have some good songs on them, but he didn't really make a great record until "Bring the Family."

birdistheword, Tuesday, 2 June 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link


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