― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:41 (eighteen years ago) link
If only this was one of those forums full of photoshop geeks who would slave to make that cover a reality!
― Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 20:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Philip Alderman (Phil A), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 00:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― iodine (iodine), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 01:52 (eighteen years ago) link
The key issue is probably the one with him going buck wild on the Hellfire Club guards in the Dark Phoenix storyline. The Claremont/Miller miniseries cemented it.
This is 100% correct. (As is Vic's addendum).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1d/Uncanny133.jpg
The last panel of Uncanny 132 had (very young) me chasing my tail for a month. And Byrnemont, with their long-term lease on the book, had been building to this for YEARS. Every single time Rule-Following Older Brother Scott held him back, dressed him down for engaging claws before brain, it was a chip in the bank.* And now, at last, there'd be no one to hold him back, and a bunch of baddies who truly Had It Coming.
This pretty much sealed the deal. And yeah, it's a classic, but I mean just the cover alone:http://www.dynamicforces.com/images/xmen-daysoffuturepast-tpb.jpg
*Most of the time (e.g. vs. Magneto, vs Sauron), poor straight-man Scott really was OTM. The resolution of the Alpha Flight arc gave Logan a chance to show he'd absorbed the message.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 03:46 (eighteen years ago) link
― David N (David N.), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:14 (eighteen years ago) link
Wrong.
The appeal is that he's cool and a rebel, but Claremont is right to point out the significance and value of the noble-savage character arc and the long, shadowy (hence endlessly extensible/retcon-friendly) past.
Cool and a rebel doesn't buy 25 years of HOT. Ask Guy Gardner.
― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 00:37 (eighteen years ago) link
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Thursday, 13 October 2005 01:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Thursday, 13 October 2005 01:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Thursday, 13 October 2005 01:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Guy just wouldn't be the same without the "ernie" hairdo!
― iodine (iodine), Thursday, 13 October 2005 01:55 (eighteen years ago) link
Wolverine, on the other hand, and despite all the false memories / origin / blah blah blah is a character that's been kept relatively simple and his core characteristics have been the same for years, that contributes to his enduring appeal.
― Amadeo (Amadeo G.), Thursday, 13 October 2005 03:33 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 13 October 2005 05:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Old School (sexyDancer), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Thursday, 13 October 2005 14:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:22 (eighteen years ago) link
That can't be right. Surely that breaks the second law of thermodynamics? Yeah, like that matters.
And in the real world Logan & Jean Grey would have been shagging like a pair of nymphomaniacal rabbits with unlimited access to supplies of V1aGra.
Which probably makes him fairly popular with a certain type of fanboy...
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Thursday, 13 October 2005 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 13 October 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Friday, 14 October 2005 07:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 14 October 2005 09:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 14 October 2005 09:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Friday, 14 October 2005 09:51 (eighteen years ago) link
Personally I've always thought that Forge's powers were the coolest. But that's probably because I'm a bit weird.
― Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 14 October 2005 10:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Friday, 14 October 2005 10:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 14 October 2005 12:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link
Oh come on, every other teenage girl has that power... It's called make-up and cleavage.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 14 October 2005 13:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Let's see -
Forge - had a cool robot hand, could build a tank out of crisp packets like the A Team, boned Storm
Cypher - could speak Estruscan and boned Warlock
I would say Forge, though it was quite interesting to have Cypher as a superhero with a superpower that is absolutely no good in a Fite
― Mark C (Markco), Friday, 14 October 2005 14:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 14 October 2005 15:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 14 October 2005 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Yellow Kid, Friday, 14 October 2005 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 15 October 2005 18:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:24 (eighteen years ago) link
Einstein: "Then again, e=mc^2 may only be a local phenomenon."
― William Paper Scissors (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 16 October 2005 17:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ray (Ray), Monday, 17 October 2005 07:47 (eighteen years ago) link
COMIC URBAN LEGEND: Wolverine was initially intended to be a genetically mutated wolverine.
STATUS: True
Initially, not only was Wolverine to be a mutated Wolverine, he was also supposed to be a teenager, just like the rest of the X-Men! It wasn't until Dave Cockrum first drew Wolverine without a mask that everyone realized that Wolverine was not as young as the other X-Men. Said Wein, at the time, "You just put thirty years on that guy."
In addition, according to Len Wein, “The adamantium claws were [only] in the gloves when I first created the character. And the claws were retractable. They were telescoping, and they would fit back in the casing of the gloves.”
As for the "mutated Wolverine" part, check out X-Men #98. A technician gets a reading on Wolverine that suggests he is not a full-fledged mutant. This was because Wein's initial intentions were to make Wolverine an evolved wolverine, courtesy of the High Evolutionary.
Chris Claremont soon took over writing the book full-time, and he went his own way with the character, but imagine...what could have been?!?
(Wein quotes courtesy of The X-Men Companion, 1982)
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 3 February 2006 17:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Friday, 3 February 2006 18:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:39 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chris F. (servoret), Saturday, 4 February 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Sure, but I'm saying but a point of the sequence is that Xavier is dead wrong there.
I mean as noted it's not subtle about it - they watch Shane fercryingoutloud.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 April 2017 22:14 (seven years ago) link
Ah, fair enough.
― long dark poptart of the rodeo (Doctor Casino), Friday, 14 April 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
As soon as they were on the freeway inviting them back for dinner I was wishing I could skip the next X minutes. Hoped it would be a fake-out where no one ended up murdered. :)
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 April 2017 22:36 (seven years ago) link
I thought the farm sequence was well-done; I just didn't need to see an innocent teenage boy murdered onscreen. That went too far for me.
― morrisp, Monday, 17 April 2017 01:54 (seven years ago) link
I liked this movie despite everything. I'm biased towards the story, because I certainly empathize with a scruffy-bearded, self-loathing dad to a miraculous daughter who seems just like him in all the best and worst ways, and I'll give the time of day to any character whose emotional comfort zone is being angry at everything all the time even though they know it's self-defeating.
The villains, though - I had no idea why we were supposed to be afraid of them, much less interested in anything they had to say. They just seemed like an army of jerks. The orcs in LOTR were more believably fearsome, and you knew they didn't stand a chance either.
Stephen Merchant was completely unexpected. Didn't give him nearly enough to do.
My favorite part was (paraphrasing) "bad things happen to people I care about!" "then I'll be fine."
― El Tomboto, Monday, 29 May 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link
This movie was recently re-released in B&W for a weekend (limited-run), which is an interesting thing for a big studio to do.
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:05 (six years ago) link
I'd pay to see the silent film cut, like the black & chrome version of the last Mad Max. I might even pay movie ticket prices.
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:13 (six years ago) link
The b&w Logan cut is with the digital release as a freebie.
― mh, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:53 (six years ago) link
watched logan last night and was super-impressed by jackman, stewart and dafne keen's performances - patrick stewart in particular was fantastic in a role that could easily have been mawkish but he was great at swinging between lucid tenderness and rage and confusion
i also really, really liked the effects they put together for professor x's seizures
i think ultimately it's better than the sum of its parts mainly due to the familiarity of jackman and stewart and how good their performances are. for all the talk of it being the first 'real' wolverine movie it shared a lot of the faults of mangold's first one - shitty villains and weirdly slack pacing being the main ones. and while i understand that having wolverine face and overcome a younger, more feral version of himself was thematically appropriate it ended up being just kinda ham-handed in practice. having him face off against sabretooth instead would still fit the themes of family and redemption and might offer a bit more of an interesting villain for a final face-off
the other thing which bugged me was the utterly implausible exposition video put together by the nurse who rescued laura - if they were going to do that, couldn't they have mocked up the shots as like stolen surveillance camera footage or something instead of implying that the was walking around highly secure areas with her phone out filming like a tourist?
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 11:25 (six years ago) link
also, while i remember: i'm sure it's hard to do a road movie about a grizzled burnout shuttling a precious human cargo across a dystopian landscape without invoking children of men or the road but mangold seemed to be leaning into it rather than offering points of differentiation most of the time
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 11:34 (six years ago) link
Yeah, I made the same gripe up above (...I point out in a "gr8 minds think alike" way, not an "I scooped you" way)
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
two great minds united by irritation at a minor detail in an action movie
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:01 (six years ago) link
I think that's what brought Adorno & Horkheimer together
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
captain and tennille too iirc
― heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
I wonder if there will be an X-23 movie; I'd love to see Laura's story continue (although not necessarily the same story told in the comics). I read a blurb saying it may happen, but of course who knows.
I'm assuming the New Mutants movie coming next year has nothing to do with the world of "Logan" or the group of kids at the end.
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Wednesday, 31 May 2017 19:04 (six years ago) link
it's going to have Storm from Days of Future Past, so barring time-jump shenanigans I assume it'll be set in the early '90s
― Nhex, Wednesday, 31 May 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
Grunge soundtrack!
― face it, tiger... you just hit middle age (morrisp), Thursday, 1 June 2017 00:11 (six years ago) link
Grunge soundtrack would be perfect for that Cable movie we were brainstorming a while back, that would just go all-in on 1991-era badassery, and have only solid colors as backgrounds for 3/4 of the scenes, five variant opening credits sequences, etc.... gah, what thread was that?
― ﴿→ ☺ (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 1 June 2017 05:09 (six years ago) link
I reread some Cable stuff on Marvel Unlimited and it's not all bad? The badass gun dude cliche is horrible but any mid-/post-conflict era where dudes who are into guns and infiltrating our zeitgeist (and colonizing our police forces) makes a reasonable big gun man a viable alternative to "shoot everything" big gun man
plus pouches are back in
― mh, Thursday, 1 June 2017 05:45 (six years ago) link
http://68.media.tumblr.com/ce1e42821718dc00ae2eedd171c1c742/tumblr_osqwqfaLQk1wuopnno1_1280.jpg
― bitumen: the animated series (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 July 2017 20:02 (six years ago) link