rolling gun sounds thread

i think we can at least all agree that this is whiney's fault

― Don't attack when he is black. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, November 15, 2011 4:38 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

im sure whiney would clear his name w/out needing me but this was pre-whiney btw

no he told me he specifically put husalah under regional thug.
ask him.

Four tracks in, this new Webbie is crazy good. I wasn't a huge fan of Savage Life 2, loved Savage Life though.

Love how he channels Boosie in his delivery a bit on "What You Want", and "Shawty Know" manages to be a dope trill'n'b song (the Bobby V hook is really catchy too)

i think the chart does a good job delineating the increasingly ambiguous/irrelevant line b/w industry & underground and is impressively comprehensive (i think "angel haze" being the only outrageous exception we could come up with is proof of this) didn't find any of the jokes/tags hilarious but almost none of them are /that/ offtm

the top producers.... i told you, fucking jeff weiss.

i think the chart does a good job delineating the increasingly ambiguous/irrelevant line b/w industry & underground and is impressively comprehensive (i think "angel haze" being the only outrageous exception we could come up with is proof of this) didn't find any of the jokes/tags hilarious but almost none of them are /that/ offtm

― flopson, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:48 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i can come up with tons of omissions, many of the tags or offtm, there's 1000x as much variation in the 'regional thug' circle as the 'hardworking weedhead' circle, why is DaVinci in the 'working class' rapper category but other similar rappers are 'regional thugs'? no man. it's marginalizing much more talented rappers & hugely boosting the profiles of irrelevant non-entities like cities aviv

lol @ the idea that 'angel haze' is the only omission. are you serious? why is shady nate up there but not j stalin? I bet you sly polaroid (to pick one name i wrote abt recently) has more youtube views / fans than huge portions of the chart. oh but hes a REGIONAL THUG so it doesn't matter.

its just hugely arbitrary and serves a small number of artists

i mean, end of day, its a dumb graphic that isn't worth getting worked up about, but don't try to tell me its mostly otm because it does have a b.s. agenda

here's a huge omission: MAC MILLER, the biggest selling independent rapper in the country. the last time an independent rap album went to number one it was the dogg pound in 1995. and its excluded from this chart. i mean, i think the dude sucks, but ignoring him is totally bizarre

STOP THE PRESS THEY FORGOT SLY POLAROID

congratulations on completely missing the point

i could name any rapper & you would have made that post -- its fucking stupid -- stop trying to make some kind of meme out of 'rappers deej mentions' do you want me to share what i know w/ you or not? i mean seriously, i feel like i'm offering up actual ideas & info to you & you're just trying to turn that shit into a punchline

that chart reflects writers who aren't covering rap as it exists & instead are trying to make it fit their worldview of what qualities are interesting in hip-hop. they gloss over huge qualitative differences when its suits them, and other times zoom way in to catalog the micro-differences between certain artists w/in a small, marginal scene in hip-hop

Mac Miller is on there

sorry mac miller was listed in 'industry,' which makes no sense, because he is an independent artist. spaceghostpurrp listed in 'industry' makes no sense. why is lupe fiasco not listed w/ bob in 'rappers who've successfully sold their soul.'

Where is WEBBIE on this chart?

dude angel haze has been brought up like twice on ilx by lex to mixed reception (is na'tee on that chart?); i just searched sly polaroid and that post from 1 minute ago is the first ever mention on ilx--posted after this chart was printed. what the fuck point are you trying to make; that the editors of spin should be prescient? i get it that it's about youtube hits & street presence or whatever, but bringing sly polaroid into this is bordering on self-caricature

that chart reflects writers who aren't covering rap as it exists & instead are trying to make it fit their worldview of what qualities are interesting in hip-hop. they gloss over huge qualitative differences when its suits them, and other times zoom way in to catalog the micro-differences between certain artists w/in a small, marginal scene in hip-hop

― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it would be impossible to make a chart like this without doing any of these things

dude angel haze has been brought up like twice on ilx by lex to mixed reception (is na'tee on that chart?); i just searched sly polaroid and that post from 1 minute ago is the first ever mention on ilx--posted after this chart was printed. what the fuck point are you trying to make; that the editors of spin should be prescient? i get it that it's about youtube hits & street presence or whatever, but bringing sly polaroid into this is bordering on self-caricature

― flopson, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:23 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what do the editors of spin have to do with what's been posted on ilx?

keeping in mind this is pre-whiney lol

that chart reflects writers who aren't covering rap as it exists & instead are trying to make it fit their worldview of what qualities are interesting in hip-hop. they gloss over huge qualitative differences when its suits them, and other times zoom way in to catalog the micro-differences between certain artists w/in a small, marginal scene in hip-hop

― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:18 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it would be impossible to make a chart like this without doing any of these things

― flopson, Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:24 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes, every history book is gonna have an agenda too. that doesn't make it above critique if someone writes a history of the u.s. that doesn't write about say japanese internment or w/e

not to compare the two qualitatively but you should get my point

Webbie, fwiw, has been mentioned many times on ILX AND has an album out right now & has one of the biggest songs of the year on 'regional thug radio'

can we talk about how 2 chainz is in the same category as shabazz palaces, wtf

the point is why in the world do you expect a corny rag with a clear demographic like spin magazine to be the one to break sly polaroid.i don't think this is above critique but i think the weakness of your critique speaks to its relative success

dog this is totally flying over your head, huh

you have yet to point out the 'weakness of my critique.' its not about fucking breaking sly polaroid

it boggles the mind how you can read anything i've ever said on ilx about rap & not understand why the chart is absurdly distorting picture of what rap is like right now. there are probably a hundred rappers w/ larger fanbases than cities aviv that aren't included in this list. sly p was an arbitrary example.

as an attempt to get a handle on a picture of the scene, imo, it entirely fails. it marginalizes major artists & talents & gives undue shine towards marginal ones. the fact that you can only take apart my critique by picking out my one random example of an artist ignored shows the weakness of your critique not mine

can we talk about how 2 chainz is in the same category as shabazz palaces, wtf

^^^

I'm with deej on this one

i think given spin's readership & the credentials of the people who compiled the chart they give a more than generous & still representative overview of street rap trends & career dynamics. regional thug is maybe a condescending way of sorting things but i think otw everything's treated w equanimity/same level of condescension. also not everyone [who has subscribed to spin the past 3 years] loved street rap i think it would be hard to deny that right now there are a lot more interesting things going on outside of street rap than there have been in the past few years--not 2 say there's necessarily less interesting street rap--i think representing that rather than going deeper into the minutiae of regional rap radio makes total sense and definitely isn't a problem

well, i guess if you're concerned with creating a prism to reflect rap through a readership then it succeeds? i would prefer a more journalistic perspective personally

like, as an individual covering a scene, at some point you step back and realize that however much you're a part of a scene you're covering a phenomenon much larger than yourself and your tastes

otoh i would never put myself in a position of trying to capture the entirety of rap in chart form so more kudos for their ambition i suppose

another thing is that i feel like there was a time where it was understood that at some level a spin reader was outside of what was going on in hip-hop & wanted to see coverage of the scene as it existed; now a spin reader sees themselves as part of the narrative, as impacting the narrative.

i mean, maybe it was like this in the 90s, i don't remember. but i cant imagine spin did heavy 2pac coverage? or bone thugs coverage? those were the biggest rappers in the country at one point, Drake style. and spin fans might like that stuff, but it wasn't a part of the music-that-spin-covered was it? idk i'm spitballing i didnt really read much spin back then, at least not to find out about rap

(that's not intended to be an argument, with the last post i'm throwing an idea out there & seeing what ppl think about it because I'm not really sure)

I had a subscription to Spin in the early 90s, I don't really remember them covering hip hop at all. I remember their story on NWA and Eazy-E ordering piroggies at some expensive Russian restaurant but that's pretty much it.

so yeah. maybe w/ the internet and the erosion of 'genre boundaries' people 'outside' hip-hop feel more empowered to involve themselves in it & make their voice heard as to how it's 'supposed' to sound where at one time webbie might be a lot more central to what was going on in rap, now the traditional rap audience has become simply a strain of rap while spin's perspective on rap becomes another (i'm envisioning that spin chart as being like that new yorker cover of 'a new yorker's view of the united states')

well, i guess if you're concerned with creating a prism to reflect rap through a readership then it succeeds? i would prefer a more journalistic perspective personally

― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:03 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man, you sound like a fucking idiot sometimes

please spell it out for me

im a simple regional thug

your beef is essentially like complaining that Kanye and Gaga get all daily Rolling Stone news updates while Adele quietly sells more than either. Yes, deej, sometimes a magazine is conscious of what its readers want to read about, so you don't need to act all babe in the woods offended that a mag that had St. Vincent on the cover a few months ago is focusing on Cities Aviv instead of the more "fair" portrayal of Yung Berg or whatever.

Like seriously, the issue is hipping people to Mouse on Tha Track and Gunplay and Starlito/Don Trip. Forgive the spoon full of sugar, man.

ok at least we have an acknowledgement of the distortion from the top i ws kind of worried

i thought the chart was okay... there were definitely some weird choices but i guess there would never be a consensus on this kind of thing.

idk, deej if it's any solace, the thing is so sprawling that no one will be able to remember much of anything that's in it

lol whiney wtf @ Yung Berg

yung berg should've had his own circle for "Rappers That Unsuccessfully Sold Their Souls" -- him and tyga

lol "distortion"

i mean, what, when indie rock dudes were obsessed over Def Jux and Stones Throw it's not a "distortion" that P4k was interviewing MF Doom instead of JT Money

lets talk about other rap now i'm bored w this

e padgett recommended this short dawg mixtape to me, its got some jams

plus you get to hear Z-Ro over a Timbaland beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR6INQbE7Mw

lol where is Berner

xxp

lets talk about other rap now i'm bored w this hardsonned in critbeef

lol

there def was a slant in the piece towards artists that we know brandon covets but not many people actually care about (cities aviv, stalley) but i think any of us would basically do the same thing given the opportunity

i mean shit i wrote about travis porter for p4k

travis porter is popular though

you're not getting this