rolling gun sounds thread

the point is why in the world do you expect a corny rag with a clear demographic like spin magazine to be the one to break sly polaroid.i don't think this is above critique but i think the weakness of your critique speaks to its relative success

dog this is totally flying over your head, huh

you have yet to point out the 'weakness of my critique.' its not about fucking breaking sly polaroid

it boggles the mind how you can read anything i've ever said on ilx about rap & not understand why the chart is absurdly distorting picture of what rap is like right now. there are probably a hundred rappers w/ larger fanbases than cities aviv that aren't included in this list. sly p was an arbitrary example.

as an attempt to get a handle on a picture of the scene, imo, it entirely fails. it marginalizes major artists & talents & gives undue shine towards marginal ones. the fact that you can only take apart my critique by picking out my one random example of an artist ignored shows the weakness of your critique not mine

can we talk about how 2 chainz is in the same category as shabazz palaces, wtf

^^^

I'm with deej on this one

i think given spin's readership & the credentials of the people who compiled the chart they give a more than generous & still representative overview of street rap trends & career dynamics. regional thug is maybe a condescending way of sorting things but i think otw everything's treated w equanimity/same level of condescension. also not everyone [who has subscribed to spin the past 3 years] loved street rap i think it would be hard to deny that right now there are a lot more interesting things going on outside of street rap than there have been in the past few years--not 2 say there's necessarily less interesting street rap--i think representing that rather than going deeper into the minutiae of regional rap radio makes total sense and definitely isn't a problem

well, i guess if you're concerned with creating a prism to reflect rap through a readership then it succeeds? i would prefer a more journalistic perspective personally

like, as an individual covering a scene, at some point you step back and realize that however much you're a part of a scene you're covering a phenomenon much larger than yourself and your tastes

otoh i would never put myself in a position of trying to capture the entirety of rap in chart form so more kudos for their ambition i suppose

another thing is that i feel like there was a time where it was understood that at some level a spin reader was outside of what was going on in hip-hop & wanted to see coverage of the scene as it existed; now a spin reader sees themselves as part of the narrative, as impacting the narrative.

i mean, maybe it was like this in the 90s, i don't remember. but i cant imagine spin did heavy 2pac coverage? or bone thugs coverage? those were the biggest rappers in the country at one point, Drake style. and spin fans might like that stuff, but it wasn't a part of the music-that-spin-covered was it? idk i'm spitballing i didnt really read much spin back then, at least not to find out about rap

(that's not intended to be an argument, with the last post i'm throwing an idea out there & seeing what ppl think about it because I'm not really sure)

I had a subscription to Spin in the early 90s, I don't really remember them covering hip hop at all. I remember their story on NWA and Eazy-E ordering piroggies at some expensive Russian restaurant but that's pretty much it.

so yeah. maybe w/ the internet and the erosion of 'genre boundaries' people 'outside' hip-hop feel more empowered to involve themselves in it & make their voice heard as to how it's 'supposed' to sound where at one time webbie might be a lot more central to what was going on in rap, now the traditional rap audience has become simply a strain of rap while spin's perspective on rap becomes another (i'm envisioning that spin chart as being like that new yorker cover of 'a new yorker's view of the united states')

well, i guess if you're concerned with creating a prism to reflect rap through a readership then it succeeds? i would prefer a more journalistic perspective personally

― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:03 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

man, you sound like a fucking idiot sometimes

please spell it out for me

im a simple regional thug

your beef is essentially like complaining that Kanye and Gaga get all daily Rolling Stone news updates while Adele quietly sells more than either. Yes, deej, sometimes a magazine is conscious of what its readers want to read about, so you don't need to act all babe in the woods offended that a mag that had St. Vincent on the cover a few months ago is focusing on Cities Aviv instead of the more "fair" portrayal of Yung Berg or whatever.

Like seriously, the issue is hipping people to Mouse on Tha Track and Gunplay and Starlito/Don Trip. Forgive the spoon full of sugar, man.

ok at least we have an acknowledgement of the distortion from the top i ws kind of worried

i thought the chart was okay... there were definitely some weird choices but i guess there would never be a consensus on this kind of thing.

idk, deej if it's any solace, the thing is so sprawling that no one will be able to remember much of anything that's in it

lol whiney wtf @ Yung Berg

yung berg should've had his own circle for "Rappers That Unsuccessfully Sold Their Souls" -- him and tyga

lol "distortion"

i mean, what, when indie rock dudes were obsessed over Def Jux and Stones Throw it's not a "distortion" that P4k was interviewing MF Doom instead of JT Money

lets talk about other rap now i'm bored w this

e padgett recommended this short dawg mixtape to me, its got some jams

plus you get to hear Z-Ro over a Timbaland beat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR6INQbE7Mw

lol where is Berner

xxp

lets talk about other rap now i'm bored w this hardsonned in critbeef

lol

there def was a slant in the piece towards artists that we know brandon covets but not many people actually care about (cities aviv, stalley) but i think any of us would basically do the same thing given the opportunity

i mean shit i wrote about travis porter for p4k

travis porter is popular though

you're not getting this

christ alive i haven't been 'sonned' by anything whiney -- if anything you just admitted i'm entirely right about this

comparing travis porter to stalley or cities aviv like ... what?

If your argument is "this magazine is likely slanted to the things that its readers want to read about" then wow you're right, but also SPIN is the least of your worries, doggy

"Ugh, why is the New York Times talking about Guantanemo, don't they know that American Idol has more YouTube views?"

you're not getting this

― Regional Thug (D-40), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:44 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i'm definitely getting what you're saying -- i'm saying that clearly brandon paid deference to a few artists that he likes that aren't as popular as many other artists but i would probably do the same thing. so, shoot me.

i dont think the three of us are disagreeing about anything in that case

so how have i been 'sonned' exactly?

Because I correctly called you a fucking idiot and you changed the subject

can't you guys just bond over your hatred of hipsters

*sigh*

"Ugh, why is the New York Times talking about Guantanemo, don't they know that American Idol has more YouTube views?"

― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:51 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

wait so stalley is like Guantanamo in this parallel? suspect.gif

oh oh what's going on? can someone give me the goons notes version on this one?

there's a big chart in spin. i find it takes a distorting photo of rap. whiney believes this is a necessary evil since it is for a certain readership. jordan would do the same thing if he was making such a chart.

tell me if i missed anything

you can see the chart here http://www.spin.com/articles/insanely-obsessive-infographic-tries-vain-diagram-hip-hop-galaxy

btw i'm not talking about the chart, which is kind of an impossible task anyway

i'm talking about brandon's actual story

lol @ yo zuccotti

Like seriously, the issue is hipping people to Mouse on Tha Track and Gunplay and Starlito/Don Trip. Forgive the spoon full of sugar, man.

― shiroibasketshoes & tuxedos (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:26 PM (51 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Is Gunplay even on there? (I'm old and sightless).

That said, I get your point.

is the 50 mixtapes sidebar online or am i gonna have to stand in barnes & noble for 10 mins to catch that

ugh

hearing bad things about the yelawolf

guys 3 hrs til the master p tape drops B-)