Reading has nothing to do with machinery. If you own an e-reader, you might as well get an artificial heart implanted.<img>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/JARVIK_7_artificial_heart.jpg</img>
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:24 (twelve years ago) link
A book is a sacred object, a totem - an e-reader is plastic sold at a loss.
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
Well done for reading this thread on the paper version of ILX
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:25 (twelve years ago) link
That is a poor analogy.
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:27 (twelve years ago) link
you are a poor analogy. you are.
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
Reading has nothing to do with machinery. If you own an e-reader, you might as well get an artificial heart implanted.
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:29 (twelve years ago) link
sbanalogy
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:30 (twelve years ago) link
so fuckin tired of this argument
― congratulations (n/a), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:31 (twelve years ago) link
Man its such a bummer to have to haul this lightweight piece of plastic sold at a loss with me on vacation instead of trying to figure out which two books I want to have with me.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:33 (twelve years ago) link
My analogy was sound - e-readers replace an emotional experience with a mechanical experience, so the image of a mechanical heart was perfectly apropos. Meanwhile, you were comparing ILX, a discussion board that can only be read electronically (thus offering no choice), to literature that is available in a variety of formats (choice). If I could read ILX in a book format, I would do so (though I still don't know if I would call it literature!)
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:34 (twelve years ago) link
I'm probably feeding the troll here, but that argument is so ridiculous.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:35 (twelve years ago) link
you could print it, if you only had a heart
http://blog.bluewillowbookshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/32737-tin_man.jpg
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link
My cousin has an artificial heart, I'll let her know she's no longer capable of emotional experiences.
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
i would definitely call ilx in any format literature
― markers, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:37 (twelve years ago) link
My analogy was sound - e-readers replace an emotional experience with a mechanical experience
they replcae a paper experience with a screen experience
f f s
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:39 (twelve years ago) link
― kinder, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
Your abandonment of literature in its ideal format has apparently unable to discern the nuances of metaphorical writing. Good luck to your cousin!
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:41 (twelve years ago) link
"has apparently left you unable," I should say.
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
when metaphorical writing has nuance, it can be a delight
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:42 (twelve years ago) link
but only when
― congratulations (n/a), Thursday, 12 January 2012 09:31 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:43 (twelve years ago) link
Geir is back as a book nerd!
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
It's not like if you buy an ereader you are suddenly physically unable to use a book
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
i hate that kindle versions of my favorite books strip out all the good metaphors. replaced them w/ fucking kennings.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:45 (twelve years ago) link
xp actual advert copy for first kindle iirc
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:46 (twelve years ago) link
i won't argue that there aren't pleasures available in physical copies of books that you don't have with digital copies. i will however argue that none of those pleasures have to do w/ emotions. unless u get turned on by the binding.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:47 (twelve years ago) link
Also no way would I have been able to lug around the hardcopy Jobso biog for a week. Without an ereader edition I simply would not have read it.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:48 (twelve years ago) link
like, i hate that you can't flip thru pages on the kindle to find something an undetermined number of pages back as easily as you can w/ a real book. i have not noticed any loss in the quality of alliteration between the two mediums, tho.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
like, i hate that you can't flip thru pages on the kindle to find something an undetermined number of pages back as easily as you can w/ a real book.
This is why all my textbooks are actual books. Annotating on a Kindle is a pain in the arse.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Well I'm guessing Static Electricity doesn't carry his books around like a peasant anyway. He keeps them at home where they belong, on the spotlit, handcrafted book stand in the focal point of his drawing room.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:49 (twelve years ago) link
Me admitting to hardly using a kindle touch = burning my entire book collection in a big fire, dancing around laughing, making an effigy of Shakespeare out of my library cards, forgetting how to ~love~
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:50 (twelve years ago) link
the day i bought my kindle i actually spat in yeats' face, just spat. right. in. his. cuntish. paperloving. face.
metaphorically
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:52 (twelve years ago) link
lol u ppl read
― markers, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:53 (twelve years ago) link
u laugh but just wait until you can carry around all ur snacks digitally
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
i don't use my eyes the kindle wifi's the knowledge directly to my memory without ever having experienced it
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:54 (twelve years ago) link
e-markers
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
always sort of suspect that people for whom physical interaction with paper and ink is more than window dressing don't actually read a lot, because if they did being able to get everything written before 1900 for free ten seconds after they think of the title would be blowing their minds way harder
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
u laugh but just wait until you can carry around all ur snacks digitally― Mordy
― Mordy
otm
― markers, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:55 (twelve years ago) link
xp And they obviously don't read long heavy books for any length of time or on public transport.
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:56 (twelve years ago) link
All I can say is that the aesthetics, the conceptualization, the idea, and the practice of actually reading a book on an electronic device make me want to vomit. But go ahead and discard thousands of years of human experience and effort! Enjoy your carcinogenic e-leaflets on how to illegally download music instead of being a responsible adult! Have fun piecing together the scraps of recorded civilization once the electricity gets cut off!
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
― markers, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:37 PM (18 minutes ago)
Sincere or joke, funniest post I've read in a long time.
― thirdalternative, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:57 (twelve years ago) link
this is my favorite new troll of 2012
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
xxp Is "All I can say" a nuance of metaphorical writing here or actually true?
― kinder, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
always sort of suspect that people for whom physical interaction with paper and ink is more than window dressing don't actually read a lot
Okay, because I do at least 80% of my reading on ~devices~ now but I still enjoy the smell and feel of a well-crafted book. One doesn't eliminate the other. btw if your point is not quite that then I apologise.
― Autumn Almanac (Schlafsack), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:58 (twelve years ago) link
oh yeah i love books! when i read them i compulsively smell the pages like once every five minutes. but that joy doesn't have anything to do with "literature".
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 22:59 (twelve years ago) link
But go ahead and discard thousands of years of human experience and effort
internet
― til the power failure (darraghmac), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
he kinda reminds me of Vision from the Paglia thread
― Mordy, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 23:00 (twelve years ago) link
― Static Electricity, Wednesday, January 11, 2012 5:25 PM (34 minutes ago)
In the vast majority of cases, a book is paper sold at a loss.
― thirdalternative, Wednesday, 11 January 2012 23:01 (twelve years ago) link
actually one of the reasons i love e-readers is i can highlight in them without fucking up something as pretty as a book.
― occupy the A train (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 11 January 2012 23:07 (twelve years ago) link
(you need a touch interface for this, tho; otherwise you're just pissing yourself off.)