xp Right: but do Last.fm users skew to a particular demographic? (I'm guessing they're disproportionately young and British.)
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:42 (twelve years ago) link
well i mean there HAS to be some demographic skewing, whether we can summarize it in 2 or 3 words or not.
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
Like, it is also kind of amazing to me that someone like James Blake could be in the Last.fm top 20. But maybe it shouldn't be, I dunno.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:44 (twelve years ago) link
I guess I just remember looking at Audioscrobbler/Last.fm charts five years ago and it was all Coldplay/Muse/Green Day/RHCP.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah I misread your post jaymc, I think overall it definitely skews young, but afaik its distributed pretty widely around the world - I notice users from lots of different places.
― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:45 (twelve years ago) link
xp OK so I guess that is still essentially true of its weekly chart: Beatles, Radiohead, Adele, Rihanna, etc. So now I'm just confused how some seemingly less-popular acts make the year-end rankings.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:49 (twelve years ago) link
E.g., the only artist in this week's Top 100 that I haven't heard of is Avicii, down at #78.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:51 (twelve years ago) link
well i mean, the overwhelming majority of people listening to music on earth do not 'scrobble,' so of course you're gonna get statistical hiccups like The Strokes being the 7th most popular artist of 2011. not much we can really do or say about that beyond making the obvious jokes and generalizations.
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:52 (twelve years ago) link
it's possible that those lesser-known artists on the yearly list each have REALLY dedicated cults that just listen to their favorite acts more consistently over the course of the whole year than people who listen to less music or use lastfm less or something.
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:54 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, I get this. Like I said, I was mostly confused b/c when I've glanced at Last.fm charts in the past (which I guess were just the weekly ones), it was mostly full of mainstream and big indie artists.
Strokes at #7 isn't that shocking to me. James Blake and the Vaccines (whoever they are) in the top 20 is.
Possibly?
Actually, is it possible that Last.fm's Top Artists of the Year only counts tracks released in 2011? That would explain the absence of some of the classic-rock artists that routinely show up in the weekly charts.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:02 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno if you asked me "who had a good year among music fans on the internet in 2011," James Blake's name would come up a LOT faster than The Strokes
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link
i think you're EXACTLY right about that list being only people who released music in 2011 (whether the figures only count their new music or all their music, i have no idea)
― some dude, Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:05 (twelve years ago) link
James Blake had a bigger year among music critics/nerds on the Internet, but I am not so sure about the broader pool of "fans."
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:09 (twelve years ago) link
i dunno, this is a worldwide list! he had pop hits in a few countries!
― lame adele rey (some dude), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:13 (twelve years ago) link
afaict the strokes didn't really have a top 10 hit anywhere last year
he had pop hits in a few countries!
OK, I guess I didn't realize quite how popular he was in the UK/Europe. #1 album in Flanders, huh.
― Bon Ivoj (jaymc), Thursday, 12 January 2012 21:24 (twelve years ago) link
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/The-Dean-s-List-Christgau-s-Best-of-2011/ba-p/6657
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
http://bnreview.barnesandnoble.com/t5/Rock-Roll/Dad-Rock-Makes-a-Stand/ba-p/6659
Christgau's year-end essay
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2012 01:43 (twelve years ago) link
"sleeper hit" isn't really the right description for an album that debuted at #1 with 300k copies sold, stayed there for a week and then returned a few weeks later
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 02:04 (twelve years ago) link
is there a thread for best mix/ mixtape/mix album in general of 2011? couln't find one― Sébastien, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:20 (Yesterday) Bookmark
― Sébastien, Thursday, 12 January 2012 20:20 (Yesterday) Bookmark
It's this http://dismagazine.com/disco/mixes/14817/nguzunguzu-the-perfect-lullaby/
― Number None, Friday, 13 January 2012 02:25 (twelve years ago) link
2 albums by Wussy in the Christgau top 10. I think I listened to one song of theirs once. Maybe I should give them more listening time.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2012 15:07 (twelve years ago) link
afaict the only fans Wussy has on earth are Christgau and his disciples
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 15:10 (twelve years ago) link
Yep.
Predictable from me I know, but I like checking out the various African releases he includes. Usually he has some in his top 20, but this year they seem further down. He and Jon Pareles from the NY Times give love to afropop.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2012 15:19 (twelve years ago) link
Plastic People of the Universe put out an album recently?
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 13 January 2012 16:48 (twelve years ago) link
I was not aware of that either
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link
The Plastic People record on his list came out in mid-2010. I wonder if it's placement has to do with Havel's passing.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:34 (twelve years ago) link
That sounds like something Christgau would do, though it could just be that he heard it late and liked it a lot.
― _Rudipherous_, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
Havel's death might have brought them to mind and he checked out their latest. Who knows.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 13 January 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
there are over a dozen 2010 records that he presumably first heard in 2011 peppered throughout the list, all with "'10" noted in parentheses
― lame adele rey (some dude), Friday, 13 January 2012 18:49 (twelve years ago) link
He's written about the Plastic People a fair amount over the years as well (so whenever he became aware of it, it's not surprising it would make his list)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 13 January 2012 19:11 (twelve years ago) link
Nice year-end show here:http://radio.maximumrocknroll.com/mrrradio1278/
Been a loyal listener ever since they introduced me to Kitchen's Floor.
― Pete Scholtes, Saturday, 14 January 2012 02:32 (twelve years ago) link
James Delingpole's Records of the Year 2011
Laura Marling – A Creature I Don’t Know (Virgin)Kate Bush – Director’s Cut (Fish People)Seasick Steve – You Can’t Teach An Old Dog New Tricks (Play It Again Sam)Jack Cheshire – Copenhagen (Safety First)David J Roch – Skin & Bones (Dram Music)Paul Kalkbrenner – Ich Wieder (Rough Trade)Cashier No. 9 – To The Death Of Fun (Bella Union)Kate Bush – 50 Words For Snow (Fish People)PJ Harvey – Let England Shake (Island)Danger Mouse and Daniele Luppi – Rome (Parlophone)The Pierces – You & I (Polydor)Other Lives – Tamer Animals (Play It Sam)
http://jamesdelingpole.com/images/logo.png
― pfutt, Monday, 16 January 2012 16:42 (twelve years ago) link
Christgau has the 2010 Extra Lens album on his list but not he 2011 Mountain Goats one. Weird.
― Who wants to see the great Pavarotti sit on a pie? (jer.fairall), Monday, 16 January 2012 18:51 (twelve years ago) link
All critics of ILM, please apply your critical faculties to voting in the end-of-year poll! If you've already done a 2011 list for somewhere else it's double-easy: just check which of your choices have been nominated and send off a ballot.
― rhetorical questino (seandalai), Tuesday, 17 January 2012 23:47 (twelve years ago) link
ann powers agrees with me now ...
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 00:01 (three years ago) link
Congrats. But what did she say or write that prompted this?
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 04:17 (three years ago) link
Check her fb
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Tuesday, 13 April 2021 04:22 (three years ago) link
ah, now I get it
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 13 April 2021 05:35 (three years ago) link
She is arguing that over the years now the media has gotten worse and only covers tiny subset of pop stars;
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 15 April 2021 12:35 (three years ago) link
Yeah a trend her coverage has been more or less emblematic of since ... this thread
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 April 2021 22:24 (three years ago) link
That’s not fair to her entirely ofc, I don’t think she didn’t cover interesting or niche or whatever stuff (I only followed so closely) — But it was def an underlying uhh ... dynamic I feel like I was trying to get at in this thread
― ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Thursday, 15 April 2021 22:26 (three years ago) link
She’s gotten more into roots Americana stuff since moving to Nashville ( but she’s missing out on less hyped southern soul, zydeco, blues, brass band , whatever Americana)
― curmudgeon, Friday, 16 April 2021 04:18 (three years ago) link