❀ the cult of: ➥motivational speakers ➥life coaches ➥personal growth gurus ➥new-age charlatans ➥AWESOMENESS FEST

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⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:01 (twelve years ago) link

so far, my favorite Mindvalley product is QUANTUM JUMPING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just watch this interview Vishen did at the home of Burt Goldman, developer of the Quantum Jumping method:

http://www.quantumjumping.com/special/meet-burt-goldman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBTmeK52xec

1) count how many times they mention money
2) be sure to watch till 6:43. I promise you won't be disappointed.

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:02 (twelve years ago) link

i bet you guys are doubling the view count on all of Zynnia's videos right now

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:03 (twelve years ago) link

quaNTUM JUmping

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:08 (twelve years ago) link

two phrases came into his head the first was PLANT YOURSELF the second was Take lots of pictures

the parable is the parable of the (Lamp), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:09 (twelve years ago) link

heads up, y'all: 2012 will not be the end of the world:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTsKRAHqrf0

bonus copping of 99% jargon

also:
http://i.imgur.com/mFViR.png

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:10 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/RNYEY.png

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link

i was forced (along with my workmates) to attend a customized motivational seminar once. we managed to completely sabotage it -- i think i made one of the two seminar leaders cry. i am not ashamed. these folks are the lowest of the low, occupying a totally unnecessary niche opened up by the worst tendencies of corporate culture and "self-actualization" rhetoric.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:11 (twelve years ago) link

can you remember who the speaker was?????

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:12 (twelve years ago) link

"I'm in the process of both expanding and contracting my business."

Trans: "I am in a constant state of starting up new concerns, hoping the IRS wont catch me when I declare bankruptcy on the old ones"

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:14 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

no they were nobodies... folks that were routinely hired by the business school of the university where i worked to provide "teamwork seminars" for different groups. i wasn't in the business school but i guess our boss decided to try them out.

IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust. i interrupted him and told him that i couldn't leave the seminar because i was being paid to attend but that he would not be continuing this line of discussion.

he looked sort of lost, looked at the other speaker who nodded, then he kind of hung his shoulders and stepped aside for the next part of the seminar.

the head of my department, who arranged the seminar, was mortified.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:16 (twelve years ago) link

"I personally dont believe 2012 will be the end of the world"

WOW AMAZING!~!!!! D:

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link

xpost

i got a lot of high-fives from coworkers the next day, though.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:17 (twelve years ago) link

IIRC one of the two speakers was trying to get us to learn about "optimizing teamwork" based on lessons from ... wait for it... people who "successfully" survived the holocaust.

oh my god

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:18 (twelve years ago) link

guys there are also endless amounts of "video cover letters" from people applying for a job at Mindvalley©

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqUP9jgACAI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCNEvMNCU1A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISBkiVpjXXM&

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

Yeah wow amst that is... I'm gobsmacked.

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:19 (twelve years ago) link

I mean I thought the motivational bullshit day my old workplace pulled on us once was in bad taste (they themed it on "Survivor" the TV show - the week my entire team had been told we were being laid off!).

But that just... wow.

thanks to denial, I'm immortal! (Trayce), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:20 (twelve years ago) link

amateurist that is A+ work

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link

yeah. for a guy who was ostensibly a "motivational" speaker he seemed pretty weak and demoralized. i think i ruined his week. i would've felt bad if his presentation wasn't so egregiously offensive.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:21 (twelve years ago) link

this stuff is just megachurches but on a smaller screen and without the vestigial jesus part

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:26 (twelve years ago) link

Mindvalley staff group photo

http://i.imgur.com/fPdKM.jpg

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:30 (twelve years ago) link

^all of these people live & work in Kuala Lumpur

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:31 (twelve years ago) link

the new series "young, attractive, and profoundly flaky" debuts on bravo this saturday!

anyway...

i forgot the other good part of my motivational seminar experience.

one part of the seminar was devoted to a "game" in which we were given note cards, and asked to write--anonymously-- one instance of "positive reinforcement" and one "constructive criticism" of each of our coworkers.

some of my coworkers refused the participate. i should have but decided just to do the "positive reinforcement" part.

some of the "constructive criticism" read like poison pen letters: "beth really has an attitude." "i don't think jeff is any good at his job." "i feel like jeremy is constantly talking down to people."

it made at least one of my coworkers cry. and it ended in a general uproar with us asking the "motivational" speakers for their credentials and wondering aloud how many times they had done this before.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:33 (twelve years ago) link

so basically, if you see a motivational speaker walking down the street, just go ahead and cold cock him or her. you will do the human race a great service.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:34 (twelve years ago) link

lol now i want a comedic series based based on motivational speakers in the style of Party Down

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

that pic looks like a "yelp elite event"

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:39 (twelve years ago) link

xpost. just getting a total amway vibe from this awesomefest/mindvalley thing. create a culture where you're special (attracting lost souls, of course = easy marks), using gurus to lead you to The Secret of personal fulfillment (making money, somehow), create a fraudulent presentation that being an affiliate will make you lots of it, with only a tiny chance of that happening.

amway's way creepier, but seems like the same basic deal ... deluding poor souls into parting with their money and getting them to shell out more. Mindvalley/Awesomefest seems linked to The Secret somehow. This is actually pretty interesting.

Spectrum, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:42 (twelve years ago) link

my friend just got fired from his job working as a lifecoach

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link

rather, working for a lifecoach

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:43 (twelve years ago) link

lol i was gonna say

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:44 (twelve years ago) link

Several people who appeared/starred in The Secret have spoken at Awesomeness Fest

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link

seminar as placebo effect

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:45 (twelve years ago) link

so much shame in that room...

his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:47 (twelve years ago) link

part of an email friend got back when trying to get paid for the two weeks before he was fired:

On an practical and business front. Since you were hired on as a subcontractor in the get go and that from the outset we were going to take a look a few months down the road as to how we were to proceed, I feel as though that has come to fruition. And although the review of things did not look like we both thought it was going to, both initially and according to where we were playing weeks before christmas, it happened the way it did. In my mind it occurred and adjusted to suit the situation and position I found myself in (with complete commitment to not doing another thing that looked like it did prior to that moment). Although that might be hard to explain, interpret or understand, things like this happen for some of us and there is a watershed and things change overnight. It did, there's no other explanation or rationale.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:50 (twelve years ago) link

holy shit

the "intenterface" (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:51 (twelve years ago) link

honestly that is the freakiest thing about this phenomenon to me, the way it seems to curdle people's ability to use language properly. a college roommate got really into the landmark forum and it was like she just spoke gibberish all the time suddenly.

horseshoe, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:55 (twelve years ago) link

i have a couple of friends who got into landmark forum and invited me to join a writer's group they were putting together, and i realized about three meetings in i was accidentally getting landmarked.

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:56 (twelve years ago) link

i quit before we went to "cafe gratitude"

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:56 (twelve years ago) link

A BREAKDOWN OF A LIFECOACH:

Here's the first email my friend got from the dude:

This is the start of something big and quite frankly something never before developed or experienced on the face of this planet.
What we will accomplish together will be directly downloaded from Source and put into practice by You and Me.
It will change not only our lives but the world as we know it and expand all that is from this moment forward.
I am excited, enthusiastic and looking very much forward to our creation of team and moving this into action.

Welcome!

Here's the last email friend got from the dude:

I am simply not ready to move forward with my business endeavors at this point.
Everyday I wonder when and if it will surge but to date I am simply disinterested in reentering into "business as usual" again.
It is actually repulsive to me at the moment and thus keeping me from engaging in anything that resembles what we were doing prior to years end.

I am not exactly sure what else to say as a result of the experience I am having.
I suppose we can go through the week from my standpoint and see what occurs and because I have no idea when this experience I am having will change, I can not predict the outcome and really have no desire to do that anyway.

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:57 (twelve years ago) link

funny thing is the most landmarky of that group really DID write in total bizarre gibberish

omar little, Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:57 (twelve years ago) link

in his defense the only reason the friend worked for the dude was to get some money after travelling a bunch and ending up back in his home state

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link

In my mind it occurred and adjusted to suit the situation and position I found myself in (with complete commitment to not doing another thing that looked like it did prior to that moment).

http://images.wikia.com/characters/images/3/35/Norman-bates.gif

his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Thursday, 2 February 2012 06:59 (twelve years ago) link

but still it was a p horrible idea

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 07:00 (twelve years ago) link

can we call awesomefest Burning Mind

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 2 February 2012 07:03 (twelve years ago) link

lol @ "Burning Mind"

omar/horseshoe: i am unfamiliar with landmark!!!! enlighten me!!

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:05 (twelve years ago) link

so much shame in that room...

― his hands are a dirty fountain through which lives spurt (contenderizer), Wednesday, February 1, 2012 8:47 PM (1 hour ago)

feel like we could do a whole ws of shame pollthread w/ this page:

http://www.awesomenessfest.com/meet-the-tribe/

⚓ (gr8080), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:21 (twelve years ago) link

xp This Observer article (yeh, lol observer, but still . . . ) seems an even-handed write-up.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2003/dec/14/ameliahill.theobserver

It makes the whole thing sound like the plot of Good Will Hunting.

get ready for the banter (NotEnough), Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:28 (twelve years ago) link

i have a coworker who spends all his vacation days flying to like new zealand and places for life coach training, but i have tried to avoid the subject because he's a bit of a talker and also i kind of enjoy the insane ambition of the term LIFE COACH devoid of whatever weird 10-step literature goes along with it, especially since dude is such just a regular ho-hum guy. it's so weird to think that he could be another guy's life coach, i don't know.

rent, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:29 (twelve years ago) link

like, does anyone actually hire a freelance life coach??

rent, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:30 (twelve years ago) link

or i guess you just run meetings and that huh. i want a life coach to follow me around and suggest i do things all day, like "you should take an umbrella".

rent, Thursday, 2 February 2012 08:33 (twelve years ago) link

It’s amazing that “Internet entrepreneurs of teaching you how to be an Internet entrepreneur” is still such an effective grift, feels like it should have gone extinct halfway through Obama’s first term.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 15 January 2023 11:02 (one year ago) link

Is Tim Ferriss still alive or did he OD on MCT oil and supplements smuggled in from a remote island in the Pacific?

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 15 January 2023 11:03 (one year ago) link

This guy is trending on TikTok because he decided that he lives four six hour days instead of one 24 hour day, thus making him 3 times as efficient as you fuckin’ losers. (Can’t make it to 400% kings still gotta sleep.)

Just wait until he discovers Time Cube!

blatherskite, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 15:56 (one year ago) link

The Power of STeroids

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 20:18 (one year ago) link

seven months pass...

Going down a rabbit hole re: lesswrong, effective altruism, AI researchers, and this group "Leverage" that existed in oakland a few years ago. Some of this stuff is tangentially related to Sam Bankman Fried and his polycule of nutters, I believe. There doesn't seem to be much written about all of this from the outside.

https://medium.com/@zoecurzi/my-experience-with-leverage-research-17e96a8e540b

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 00:56 (seven months ago) link

"The explicit strategy for world-saving depended upon a team of highly moldable young people self-transforming into Elon Musks" jfc. the damage this guy has done by simply existing.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 01:09 (seven months ago) link

I shared that with a friend and half an hour later she had a link to the Leverage Discord. I'm afraid to join but so curious

what you say is true but by no means (lukas), Friday, 8 September 2023 01:59 (seven months ago) link

from what I can tell he has rebranded and maybe relaunched this organization? it's very weird to me. this isn't NXIVM level shit yet, that I can tell (no branding of sex slaves; some reports of inappropriate 'workplace' relationships though), but it's close, with the packed calendars, continual 'debugging' (think scientology and auditing, or NXIVM's "EM"s), psychological manipulation. Who is funding this shit? Silicon Valley VCs.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 02:53 (seven months ago) link

I stumbled on this stuff the weirdest way. Berkeley is introducing a new Mental Health Crisis team (like, half a day, 4 days a week, who can deal with something like 3 calls a day). Berkeley has like, a LOT of mentally ill people on the streets in crisis any time of the day. I hate people who comment on Berkeleyside and Berkeleyscanner, but someone did point a link to this article about someone who had a psychotic episode in a restaurant and then physically attacked the crisis worker who came (alone?) in her car. this was in 2017. This is the original story:

https://www.berkeleyside.org/2017/04/25/update-city-mental-health-worker-strangled-choked-carjacking-outside-whole-foods

I looked this guy up and he got 5 years. I found his name linked in a lesswrong post calling out abuses related to two orgs, CFAR and MIRI. He basically was somehow associated with MIRI (I believe) and cracked up.

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/pQGFeKvjydztpgnsY/occupational-infohazards

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 02:59 (seven months ago) link

I heard about LessWrong when Decoding The Gurus recently ran an episode about Eliezer Yudkowksy. There's a definite infohazard self-sealing cult-thought to their writings and I'm troubled at how popular it all is amongst AI researchers.

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:09 (seven months ago) link

wow @that medium link

“3. Geoff estimated that there were roughly 10 “super weapons” or “super theories.” He said we already had 1–2, one being we had solved philosophy (but not completely, he admitted — all he had left to do was prove that time exists and maybe a few other details, was what I remember him saying).”

brimstead, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:17 (seven months ago) link

Big echoes of scientology

"The explicit strategy for world-saving depended upon a team of highly moldable young people self-transforming into Elon Musks. For a long time, what was asked of me in order to maintain my funding was to “become a self-debugger”

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 8 September 2023 06:25 (seven months ago) link

researching who funds this stuff I ran across this: https://survivalandflourishing.fund

which got funding from:

https://saveourplanet.org/projects/survival-and-flourishing/#:~:text=We%20currently%20serve%20as%20volunteers,administer%20grants%20from%20funding%20provided

though oddly, I only found that link by googling, it's been taken off the saveourplanet.org navigation. NGO that seems otherwise benign. But these other groups smell.... nazi adjacent to me. Dunno. Lotta white dudes who think they are destined to save the earth.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 8 September 2023 06:46 (seven months ago) link

two months pass...

Twin Flames documentary on Netflix is great.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 19 November 2023 02:50 (four months ago) link


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