Rangers Have gone into Administration

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BBC Scotland's business and economy editor, Douglas Fraser, said the legal moves on Monday surrounding administration would give the club "a few days for negotiations with HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC)".

The revenue could stand to lose out on any tax due if Mr Whyte chooses to collapse the company.

Mr Whyte is understood to be the club's main secured creditor via a floating charge over its assets.

This would allow him to pursue other avenues such as receivership or pre-pack administration to satisfy the debts which the club owes him.

These would involve transferring Rangers assets out to another company or companies to satisfy outstanding debts to the floating charge holder and leaving the club behind with the debt.

In such scenarios, it would be likely that Rangers FC - formed in 1873 - would be formally wound up.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:56 (twelve years ago) link

I'm still at work so I'll miss it. Can't see them doing more than regurgitating what's been reported by Rangers' official media partner STV on their website.

The real fun will be on the phone-ins. I demand at least one crying bear.

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:57 (twelve years ago) link

What happens to the players?

That is very much down to the administrator. When a club enters administration, there is a moratorium on the debt to allow the club the chance to continue. Players' contracts are still valid and will continue to be honoured if the administrator decides the club can afford to do so.

There may be some redundancies if the administrator decides there is not enough cashflow to pay everyone, but it is often preferable to retain the club's top players if possible, if only to sell them on in the next transfer window.

Players may be asked to take a wage cut or, if players are made redundant, they may be offered a settlement. If that is deemed unacceptable they become another of the club's creditors.

What about assets like Ibrox Stadium and the club's training facility at Murray Park - could they be sold?

All of the club's assets revert to the administrator, whose aim is to exit administration by satisfying creditors. As such, the administrator must decide how best to raise the money required to do that, for example selling players or, indeed, fixed assets.

By that rationale, Ibrox and Murray Park could be sold, though the sale of the stadium is more problematic because of the listed building status of the main stand there. Glasgow planning regulations are said to prohibit the training complex being sold for residential development, making the land less attractive to developers.

Can Rangers continue as the same club, with the same history?

Yes, as has been the case with previous clubs who have gone into administration. But it is not always the case. In the example of Airdrie, for instance, the club went out of business, then bought over the registration of Clydebank, who were themselves in administration, and formed Airdrie United, a completely different entity.

When has this happened before in the SPL and what were the consequences?

Four clubs have gone into administration since the SPL was formed in 1998. The first of those was Motherwell in April 2002. They avoided a points penalty, as no such punitive rule existed at that time, but 19 players were released or made redundant.

Dundee also avoided a 10-point deduction, having entered administration in 2004 with debts of around £20m, resulting in 25 staff losing their jobs. They had begun the process of coming out of administration in time to miss the points penalty.

The scenario was the same for Livingston, who had seven players made redundant. But in 2008, Gretna were docked 10 points and ultimately went out of business following the withdrawal of funding by their owner Brooks Mileson.

If Rangers qualify for Europe next season, will they be allowed to play in European competition?

That depends. If they come out of administration as the same entity, their license to compete in Uefa competitions would be issued by the Scottish Football Association, provided they had exited administration by the end of March.

Failure to exit administration by then would mean they would not have a license and wouldn't be able to compete in Europe next season.

If they come out of administration as a different entity, their license would lapse and they would have to apply for a new one. It would then be up to the SFA and Uefa to decide if a new license can be granted.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 17:58 (twelve years ago) link

Scotland Today presenters are all wearing black and have black armbands on.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:00 (twelve years ago) link

Can't listen to the phone-ins, but might go for a wee listen again tomorrow if I get a chance. News just burbling shite that most well-read and/or not stupid people know already.

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:17 (twelve years ago) link

alastair johnson getting an easy ride, hes slagging whyte saying he will only look after himself not the clubs interests, but noones saying but it was your board that caused this not whyte's.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link

What did his board cause? This has nothing to do with the tax case, which is the old board's fault.

Craig Whyte said he would pay off the Lloyd's debt and invest an additional 15 million in the club. He took over just as all the season ticket money came in. He borrowed another 20 mill against future ticket sales. He sold their top scorer. Where is the money?

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link

Why let the facts get in the way of random speculation?

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

im talking about the board johnson was on

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link

the problems all started there. not just the tax case. clearly they were in trouble anyway. Whyte obviously not blameless since he took over.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:33 (twelve years ago) link

Rangers statement in full
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-17019847

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link

So what odds accountancy's answer to Stuart Baxter, KPMG's Blair Nimmo, will be made administrator...?

sktsh, Monday, 13 February 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link

Some are saying that Whyte is just trying to 'twist the arm' of hmrc into giving in (to what extent i don't know) , but if they don't, Rangers will go into administration to protect Whyte.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 18:44 (twelve years ago) link

thats traynor off whytes xmas card list

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:19 (twelve years ago) link

https://img.skitch.com/20120213-rraiw88yip5u57pdgxus6kxwyb.jpg

john terje (cozen), Monday, 13 February 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link

pfunkboy, that "some are saying..." thing is what we've been saying for ages - that Whyte is out for himself and fuck Rangers and fuck their creditors. If this is just dawning on because you refuse to believe researched stuff read from somewhere unless it's in black and white in a tabloid, then you are basically Hugh Keevins.

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 20:36 (twelve years ago) link

i am not refusing to believe anything.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:04 (twelve years ago) link

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-17021584

A stockbroking company which has Rangers owner Craig Whyte as board secretary has been banned from further trading by the financial regulator.

The Financial Services Authority has ruled that Pritchard Stockbrokers had used client money for its own expenses, "thereby putting client money at risk".

That means it "failed to comply with the proper standards and failed to act with integrity".

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:38 (twelve years ago) link

"where's yer fuckin billion pound ya cunt?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIjgyHui3A0

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:42 (twelve years ago) link

lol

there was a fit and proper test taken, right?
Did david murray give it so that he could get out with some of his money intact?

i think mr whyte has over taken over from our own mr w@tson, Foolston and friends.

xp

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

they weren't very happy bears

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:43 (twelve years ago) link

hahaha, what an epitaph

Ismael Klata, Monday, 13 February 2012 21:44 (twelve years ago) link

Gers fans staying classy on twitter

i think on saturday a very loud rendition of BILLY BOYS is in order..... what they gonna do... dock us points ;) WATP

Administration, job losses, unpaid taxes, possibility of liquidation? WE HATE KAFFLIKS!

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:49 (twelve years ago) link

The Financial Services Authority has ruled that Pritchard Stockbrokers had used client money for its own expenses, "thereby putting client money at risk".

pretty fundamental breach of FSA handbook rules

doesn't rain but it pours for whyte

john terje (cozen), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

can't wait till Saturday.Bring back the billy boys for the day.Ram it up every rangers hating piece of shit #nosurrender

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:50 (twelve years ago) link

Gers fans staying classy on twitter

i think on saturday a very loud rendition of BILLY BOYS is in order..... what they gonna do... dock us points ;) WATP

Administration, job losses, unpaid taxes, possibility of liquidation? WE HATE KAFFLIKS!

can't wait till Saturday.Bring back the billy boys for the day.Ram it up every rangers hating piece of shit #nosurrender

fucking scotland. makes me hate my country some times.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:51 (twelve years ago) link

i bet theres arseholes out there blaming catholics for all of it

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

Need to change it to "Goodbye! Goodbye! We were the Billy Boys"

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

or jewish and catholic bankers

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:52 (twelve years ago) link

who do they play this weekend? They will hump them then the games after that the lols should begin.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

please tell me its motherwell

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:53 (twelve years ago) link

the "ha ha" version of TBB remains one of my favourite get it right up ye chants

They've got Killie. Pretty much one of those friendship games with half and half scarves.

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:54 (twelve years ago) link

https://p.twimg.com/AlkGvH0CQAAI28X.jpg

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:57 (twelve years ago) link

idg this "when rangers die" meme

is it a reference to something I'm missing?

john terje (cozen), Monday, 13 February 2012 21:58 (twelve years ago) link

the "ha ha" version of TBB remains one of my favourite get it right up ye chants

most clubs do that. Especially against Airdrie. its the one song every joins in

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 22:00 (twelve years ago) link

at accies that is. i daresay if we ever bet celtic the hail hail tune would be sung but its never happened in my time. I wasn't at the 2-0 game late 80s (because i was at the previous 8-0 drubbing and decided i didnt want to witness it again)

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 22:02 (twelve years ago) link

idg this "when rangers die" meme

it is a reference to what some see as the endgame here - administration > receivership > liquidation > RIP big man heaven needed a dignified institution.

I don't think they will die. I think Whyte honestly believes he can get them into administration, fuck over his creditors and get back out in time to be debt free and getting a UEFA licence on 31st March.

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 22:16 (twelve years ago) link

i agree. though if he forms nu-rangers after march 31 he can apply for a new license

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 22:36 (twelve years ago) link

New clubs are not allowed to compete in European competitions for three full seasons.

Sh3rry and the Bloodworks \m/ (onimo), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:10 (twelve years ago) link

I thought a new club couldn't play in Europe for three years?

xpost

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:12 (twelve years ago) link

ahh yeah, of course.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:18 (twelve years ago) link

i was going by whatever news program said that they could re-apply.
I think if he is hoping HMRC will negotiate a lower bill by saying he will pull the plug and they get nothing, then he almost certainly will need to start over again as Nu-Rangers. I can't imagine HMRC agreeing to take a lower amount even if scottish media start saying its better the taxpayer gets something instead of nothing(i can honestly see that happening).

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:23 (twelve years ago) link

Imagine every business then trying to 'negotiate' like that? So not going to happen.

pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Monday, 13 February 2012 23:24 (twelve years ago) link

Aw, man, *finally* got SSN on. Gordon Smith!

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:31 (twelve years ago) link

btw, I'm trusting bloggers who appear to understand tax laws and financial rules and various related laws and guidelines above pishy hacks trying to flog papers/fill news reports who have done the square root of fuck all research into a guy with a well fucking dodgy history and any implications. It's not like they haven't had time to find this stuff out. It was only ever a case of when, not if.

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:48 (twelve years ago) link

cozen, more specifically, that song was originally about having a party when Thatcher dies and has been updated for the imminent demise of another scourge on Scotland. They might not die as such, but waiting for it has been entertaining.

I wish this had happened a week when I could give this my full concentration :-/

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:52 (twelve years ago) link

Traynor presumably not on Whyte's Christmas card list anyway as an employee of the Beeb (who he's fallen out with and keeps forgetting to sue) *and* the Record who finally broke ranks first on the Ticketus debt.

ailsa, Monday, 13 February 2012 23:55 (twelve years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/kIhsp.png

in the spirit of the community i volunteer myself as your token target-of-abuse rangers fan.

Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 02:24 (twelve years ago) link


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