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Almost before you could stop throwing up in your mouth at the idea of Michael Arrington accusing a Times journalist of being less than noble, Arrington’s partner at CrunchFund, MG Siegler, weighed in with his own attack in which he basically said Bilton is a nice guy who was either too lazy or too busy to do a good job. From this Siegler leaps off into a long diatribe about how most tech reporting is utter bullshit written by idiots who are all in a hurry to chase page views.

So: Path comes under fire, and straight away, the paid hit men – Arrington and his sidekick, Matty the Angry Chihuahua — spring into action to smear Bilton and try to discredit him.

I’ll give them this much. They’re good at what they do. Siegler especially is a nasty little ankle-biter who has developed some level of expertise in launching ad hominem attacks. He did one on me a while back. Then he did one on Josh Topolsky at The Verge.

Now it’s Nick Bilton’s turn.

http://www.realdanlyons.com/blog/2012/02/13/hit-men-click-whores-and-paid-apologists-welcome-to-the-silicon-cesspool/

Great response here from the man who's not afraid to type the word 'bullshit':

Looks like someone woke up from his nap of the last three years and is hungry. Sadly, I don’t have much food for him. I’ll keep this as brief as possible — and I promise this will be the last thing I ever say about Dan Lyons, as he’s clearly done.

Feel free not to read. Or read Michael Arrington’s post on the matter. He takes a higher road than I’m about to. I’m just sick of Lyons’ bullshit.

http://parislemon.com/post/17587323277/bat-shit-crazy

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 05:41 (eight years ago) link

i have lost all ability to discern sarcasm in this thread. That wasn't a great response to me, just point-avoiding ad homs from a corrupt would-be hack.

stet, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 08:21 (eight years ago) link

Definitely sarcasm.

Big fan of http://mgsieglermeme.tumblr.com, though.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 08:32 (eight years ago) link

yeah anyone who defends siegler or arrington on this should be banned from ilx and thrown into the ocean

max, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:30 (eight years ago) link

But she’s not a very good writer in the pure sense of the word. Both she and Lyons rely on cutesy gimmicks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:55 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/nXhCV.png

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:56 (eight years ago) link

m.g. siegler offering a beacon, a yardstick of good tech writing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:56 (eight years ago) link

#1 pet peeve: people who read 'on writing well' or some other chestnut and the only thing they take away is that all. of their sentences. must. be. very. short. that's. what good. writing. is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:57 (eight years ago) link

Some WSJ claim chowder.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 13:21 (eight years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/zEOaD.png

Times when it's OK to alter your site template: Christmas, Valentine's Day, the death of a multinational CEO.

James Mitchell, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:26 (eight years ago) link

must have ignored her in favor of the ipad 2 for the last time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:27 (eight years ago) link

how long did it take him to pick what shade of red to use?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1tAYmMjLdY (dayo), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 17:27 (eight years ago) link

http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/14/fla

"This is the biggest challenge facing Apple today."

has he actually written anything longer than glib link commentary? guess he's been busy with long form claim chowder : (

caek, Tuesday, 14 February 2012 18:39 (eight years ago) link

yeah anyone who defends siegler or arrington on this anything should be banned from ilx and thrown into the ocean

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 19:02 (eight years ago) link

Times when it's OK to alter your site template: Christmas, Valentine's Day, the death of a multinational CEO.

― James Mitchell, Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:26 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 20:43 (eight years ago) link

I, Too, Love Amy Jane

radiant silverfish (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:48 (eight years ago) link

fuckin guy lovin his fuckin wife...

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:49 (eight years ago) link

i wonder if she checks the site everyday or maybe he had to send her a link

radiant silverfish (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:50 (eight years ago) link

if she's anything like dh she's an rss/instapaper kinda lady. inbox zero. no time to type in urls

radiant silverfish (diamonddave85), Tuesday, 14 February 2012 21:51 (eight years ago) link

has he actually written anything longer than glib link commentary? guess he's been busy with long form claim chowder : (

Saving it all up to complain about NeXT not being given its due, it looks like!

carson dial, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 03:34 (eight years ago) link

His wife's twitter account is many times more entertaining than his own.

brotherlovesdub, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 06:17 (eight years ago) link

You can get fired up that way, and see my criticism here as condemning Isaacson’s book as total shit, zero stars. That would be a mistake. Steve Jobs is not literature, but it is a good book, but alas with several holes and egregious errors.
Lacking various beacons and yardsticks also.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 08:01 (eight years ago) link

um, that piece is probably the best thing he's written in a year or two.

caek, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:27 (eight years ago) link

Except his whole premise of "Steve Jobs thought software is more important than hardware" is completely a total shit, zero stars Jobsian-style binary view.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 10:50 (eight years ago) link

and "Apple is an experience company" made me boak, versus something like "Apple is a product company" which is the truth

stet, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:19 (eight years ago) link

like, made me think of Apple iBalloon Rides With Your Fiancee

stet, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:20 (eight years ago) link

Apple uses experiences to sell products, as any Mad Men watcher could tell you.

James Mitchell, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:23 (eight years ago) link

that's a diff thing from being an experience company, tho

stet, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:24 (eight years ago) link

"apple is an experience company" is his turgid writing style, yes.

but i am a good-faith zinger, and that was a good piece.

caek, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:31 (eight years ago) link

basically slocki otm

caek, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:31 (eight years ago) link

Agreed. Was def a way better demolition of the Isaacson book than Siracusa managed.

I want to put NextSTEP on my old Thinkpad now, except the guy who installed it for Jobs says it was a total nightmare http://www.nextcomputers.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2209

stet, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 11:33 (eight years ago) link

the siracusa thing was just a long, boring list of tiny errors and a couple of unsupported larger, vague arguments

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:52 (eight years ago) link

i recently tried installing OPENSTEP in a VM and couldn't get past the driver selection stuff ):

radiant silverfish (diamonddave85), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:50 (eight years ago) link

lol this guy has a hard time enjoying himself, lil uptight http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/02/15/ios-86

lag∞n, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:43 (eight years ago) link

As soon as Schiller told me the name, I silently cursed myself for not having predicted it. Apple is a company of patterns. iPhone 3G, followed by a same-form-factor-but-faster 3GS; iPhone 4 followed by a same-form-factor-but-faster 4S. Leopard followed by Snow Leopard; so, of course: Lion followed by Mountain Lion.
I silently cursed myself for not having the beacons and yardsticks.

James Mitchell, Thursday, 16 February 2012 14:57 (eight years ago) link

I wonder immediately about that “now”. I don’t press, because I find the question that immediately sprang to mind uncomfortable. And some things remain unchanged: Apple executives explain what they want to explain, and they explain nothing more.

this guy is v strange

lag∞n, Thursday, 16 February 2012 15:10 (eight years ago) link

I’ve been using Mountain Lion for a week, preinstalled on a MacBook Air loaned to me by Apple.

radiant silverfish (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:20 (eight years ago) link

oh my god

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:24 (eight years ago) link

THIS is your FAVORITE FEATURE??

My favorite Mountain Lion feature, though, is one that hardly even has a visible interface. Apple is calling it “Gatekeeper”. It’s a system whereby developers can sign up for free-of-charge Apple developer IDs which they can then use to cryptographically sign their applications. If an app is found to be malware, Apple can revoke that developer’s certificate, rendering the app (along with any others from the same developer) inert on any Mac where it’s been installed. In effect, it offers all the security benefits of the App Store, except for the process of approving apps by Apple. Users have three choices which type of apps can run on Mountain Lion:

* Only those from the App Store
* Only those from the App Store or which are signed by a developer ID
* Any app, whether signed or unsigned

The default for this setting is, I say, exactly right: the one in the middle, disallowing only unsigned apps. This default setting benefits users by increasing practical security, and also benefits developers, preserving the freedom to ship whatever software they want for the Mac, with no approval process.

radiant silverfish (diamonddave85), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:28 (eight years ago) link

lol

the jazz zinger (s1ocki), Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:29 (eight years ago) link

Sadly, the punning possibilities of 'mac-gruber' have only just now suggested themselves to me, when surely that meme wave was beaten into the ground by now.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 February 2012 16:31 (eight years ago) link

THIS is your FAVORITE FEATURE??

loool

caek, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:09 (eight years ago) link

software signing is actually not a terrible idea; in fact many linux distributions have cryptographically signed packages using keys that are signed by the distributors. And groobs is on point with his hope that package-signing will make it onto iOS as the platform opens up.

All the work I do on my mac is in the terminal or a web browser anyway so new OS X features rarely mean much to me.

tinker tailor soldier sb (silby), Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:11 (eight years ago) link

me too. the last time i upgraded OS X for some reason other than "it came with the new computer" was 10.4.

caek, Thursday, 16 February 2012 18:15 (eight years ago) link

And groobs is on point with his hope that package-signing will make it onto iOS as the platform opens up.

I really, really hope that transpires

Wub wub wub wubwubwubwub wub Pzzzzzzz WUBB wubwub (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 February 2012 21:57 (eight years ago) link

I knew the Dow was imprecise and rather arbitrary compared to something like the S&P 500, but the more I learn about the Dow the more nonsensical I realize it is.
It's a lousy yardstick for measuring all those billions of imprecisely-sized beacons.

James Mitchell, Monday, 20 February 2012 21:44 (eight years ago) link

find a new zing james

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:29 (eight years ago) link

found one

https://twitter.com/#!/totallyslutsky/status/171666559666888705

caek, Monday, 20 February 2012 22:50 (eight years ago) link

:D

A Little Princess btw (s1ocki), Monday, 20 February 2012 22:54 (eight years ago) link

http://twitter.com/#!/jdalrymple/status/170699109177634816

markers, Tuesday, 21 February 2012 02:30 (eight years ago) link


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