too many people think "melisma" means "oversinging."
― Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
Stars who have used melismaBeyonceRay CharlesStevie WonderAretha FranklinMariah CareyJennifer HudsonChristina AguileraPink
― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Wednesday, February 15, 2012 10:11 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
lmao at this, its like they listed a bunch of black people and then realized what that looked like so they added xtina and pink at the end
― max, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:34 (twelve years ago) link
I have nothing against melisma but overused in pop, it takes the spotlight off the song and makes the singer look like a braggart. Properly dosed, it's awesome.
I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons I'm not fond of Mariah Carey.
But the term "melisma" is still relatively obscure within the pop music industry
Wha?
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
Melisma is used in so many traditions from Arabic to Jewish to Gregorian chants to Fado to carols, etc...
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:40 (twelve years ago) link
ha I was just about to post g) listen to "Angels We Have Heard On High"
― I spend a lot of time thinking about apricots (DJP), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:41 (twelve years ago) link
Houston also selected vowel sounds that would conserve air so she could hold the mammoth notes. For example, singing "luv" instead of "love", according to Dale.
ey oop chook, i'll allas luv tha. honestly tho plz explain difference in pronunciation here.
― ledge, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
But perhaps what Houston nailed best was moderation. In a climate of reality shows ripe with "oversinging", it's easy to appreciate Houston's ability to save melisma for just the right moment.
I'm not the biggest fan of show-offs and I feel ambivalent about Whitney 'cause I friggin' loved her when she first came to our attention and then felt disappointed by a lot of her material but I'm glad this person purportedly got paid for this 'article' 'cause it's about 90% padding w/maybe two or three sentences of any value whatsoever and I know in this kind of economy money is still hard to come by.
Also, my solution is not to watch reality shows but whatever.
― le ralliement du doute et de l'erreur (Michael White), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 15:53 (twelve years ago) link
is Mariah Carey not white anymore? Or was she ever? Blimey.
I-I-I-I-I-I-I will probably always be an enemy of melisma.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
Love it best when it's in quarter-tones.
― Axolotl with an Atlatl (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:06 (twelve years ago) link
mariah carey is biracial fyi
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:11 (twelve years ago) link
now I know.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
John Lennon stretches "I" into seven notes on the very first word of this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfWVYuUWkyA
This was in 1963. The writer of this article is a moron.
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:13 (twelve years ago) link
"Other artists may have used it before Houston"
― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 16:56 (twelve years ago) link
lmao
― teledyldonix, Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
Hearing "I Will Always Love You" about 1000 times in the last few days it's actually surprising to me how utterly flat/non-melismatic she makes the first half of her drawn-out "I" - pretty much any singer would automatically put a little vibrato in there but it's like she's saving it all up for the end of the note
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:39 (twelve years ago) link
it was her rendition of Dolly Parton's love song that pushed the technique into the mainstream in the 90s.
this is a super-dubious claim
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:48 (twelve years ago) link
I mean I personally am pretty cranky on the subject of overuse/poor use of melisma in pop music but it's a tool in the box, saying "the problem is melisma" is like saying "the problem is people like F# too much, down with F#"
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 17:49 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRVZ_HbtuVU
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:01 (twelve years ago) link
it's especially lame to paint melisma solely as some kind of grim vehicle of gratuitous technique since it's provided so many of the most infectiously joyous vocal performances in pop history.
― CANDY aka JUNK (some dude), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:02 (twelve years ago) link
Well F# can gtfo to be honest. It's a shitty key for bass players.
― The Large Hardon Collider (Phil D.), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:03 (twelve years ago) link
I don't mind melisma in religious contexts, especially middle eastern adhan or cantillation. But when singers go into masturbatory paroxysms exorting me to dance or get into their pants I rapidly lose interest. Probably WH's greatest crime.
― Pauper Management Improved (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
yeah I think that's most people's complaint really - that melisma in pop sort of seems naturally (whether through tradition or some inherent quality of the technique in the context) to express excitement, some need to reach beyond the cue sheet to something more joyful. Or that, anyway, is I think the way people receive it, and certainly the way a lot of performers express it: "Here is the part in the song where I bust out the melisma as the music crescendos," etc. Which works better or worse depending on 1) the source material 2) whether the singer is a convincing performer 3) how much the listener already likes the performer
imo
― unlistenable in philly (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 15 February 2012 18:31 (twelve years ago) link
too many people think "melisma" means "oversinging."too many singers overuse melisma
just listened to what may be the worst song in the world, some boyband version of The First Noel (a dreadful song in its own right) completely trashed by oversinging, the kind of melisma that makes you angry at life
― niels, Wednesday, 13 December 2017 17:50 (six years ago) link
Leona Lewis' version of Run is excruciatingly ribald with this. Melismatic to the point of absurdity.
― The shard-borne beetle with his drowsy hums (Chinaski), Wednesday, 13 December 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
Why do I adore melisma in Indian, African, Middle Eastern and Eastern European music but loathe it in 95% of contemporary r&b? Can someone with theory chops help me understand this? It’s been bugging me for a while now. I don’t have the vocabulary for it but my general hunch is that contemporary r&b veers more readily towards the major key – is there any truth to this? I generally enjoy the stuff when it’s more melancholy and/or reserved.
(Inspired by that new SZA single, whose form and production are compelling to me, but I can’t cope with the melodic lines and it makes me feel like a total weirdo).
― pomenitul, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link
I’m not crazy about baroque operatic melismas either fwiw.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:18 (three years ago) link