BTW I wonder how much of the incest/abuse theme Lynch had in mind from the beginning and how much was imagined for TP:FWWM.
In other words, was he forced to submerge that theme heavily in the series and then gave it full play for the (very R-rated) movie? Or did he not really settle on it until the series was over or nearly over?
Obviously in retrospect this theme helps to bind together much of the show, but it also renders parts of the show somewhat thematically incoherent IIRC.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 5 March 2012 02:57 (twelve years ago) link
I mean obviously he wasn't selling the show to networks as "This show about incest and parental abuse as the root of all sadness and evil"! But did he plan on this and just keep his cards close to the vest -- or did he only realize this as a central theme gradually?
Anyway.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 5 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
Which of the season 2 plotlines gets the abandon/retcon treatment, in your eyes? Not disputing it at all - just haven't watched this in a while and was kind of not paying attention to when one episode ended and the next began.
― Doctor Casino, Monday, 5 March 2012 03:27 (twelve years ago) link
James Hurley by a mile. Some of the others were v stupid but at least fun. Nothing involving Gordon Cole should even be on this list. He is going to write an EPIC POEM about this pie!
― pandemic, Monday, 5 March 2012 11:10 (twelve years ago) link
Given that Twin Peaks was meant to be as much a pisstake of yr average 80s soap opera as it was a murder mystery or anything else, a lot of these still make sense within the context of the show. That says, the James storyline still blows.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 5 March 2012 12:38 (twelve years ago) link
The Andy/Dick/Lucy plotline is quite sweet really.
I don't everything David Lynch touches turns to gold or anything, but 75% of what went wrong with this series can be traced to Lynch's lack of involvement. Nearly every episode he directed is a noticeable jump in quality, and even the non-Lynch episodes in season 1 (when at least he was involved in laying out the overall plotlines) are superior to most of season 2. As soon as Lynch jumps back in for the final episode, the series gets a crazy jolt as if the last few--dire--episodes didn't even happen (literally in some cases: Lynch abandons or ret-cons several of the season 2 plotlines in 45 minutes)
I think people tend to reach a bit with stuff like this. If Lynch was really that anti- a lot of what had been happening over those episodes, would he have turned up playing a recurring FBI agent in a plotline that doesn't really go anywhere?
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Monday, 5 March 2012 12:43 (twelve years ago) link
i don't think he was anti- anything. i just think his level of involvement in terms of planning out plotlines and so on was pretty damn low.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 6 March 2012 00:09 (twelve years ago) link
So, last night some friends and I were talking about Twin Peaks and I posed the thread question; when the Billy Zane plot came up, one of them told me that they'd heard that this began because Kyle MacLachlan and Lara Flynn Boyle were dating (?! did not know this!) and she objected to the chemistry between Cooper and Audrey. If true, this also leads me to wonder whether the Annie story was also ginned up for this reason: give Cooper the least sexually charged relationship of possibly any couple on the show.
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 March 2012 17:08 (twelve years ago) link
love this thread. i'm more forgiving of S2 than most people i know), but even i can't deal with jaaaaaames.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:37 (twelve years ago) link
another poll I have no time for bcz RESCREENING is impossible for now. I remember basically none of this after 20 years.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:44 (twelve years ago) link
have some of you watched the whole series 4x or something?
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:46 (twelve years ago) link
2x (once on VHS, once on dvd)
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 16 March 2012 17:53 (twelve years ago) link
Pretty sure this last one was the 3rd time for me.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:16 (twelve years ago) link
someone mentioned 'Josie Packard' to me recently and I couldn't even guess who she was
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:19 (twelve years ago) link
1st viewing = initial TV runVHS viewings = had dubbed copies of the whole series, showed them to my then-g/f (now wife).DVD viewings = got the Gold Box when it came out, have watched that in it's entirety at least twice, and a few episodes (pilot, last ep, etc) more than that
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:25 (twelve years ago) link
Used to have them from when I taped all the episodes off the telly, but no longer have a VCR. So maybe x4 times but not for years and years. I do occasionally watch the "..and it was on that vacation that I shot out Nadine's eye" just for Albert's reaction shot. Oh and "dolts, dunces, dullards and dumbbells .."
― pandemic, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:26 (twelve years ago) link
Albert is so great.
― pandemic, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
I love you Sheriff Truman
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:27 (twelve years ago) link
i watched the same worn-out VHS copies that everyone in this college town had been checking out for a decade, it was almost impossible to see what was going on in some of the season 2 ones.
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:28 (twelve years ago) link
(chillwave twin peaks)
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:29 (twelve years ago) link
k some of you should at least check out Peyton Place then
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
lol
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:38 (twelve years ago) link
I haven't, but then I think watching TP that much is borderline insane
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:39 (twelve years ago) link
Thanks for your contribution!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
way to compare a soap opera you can't remember to the oldest American soap opera
posts very much in character etc
xp
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:40 (twelve years ago) link
I love you Shakey Mo
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:42 (twelve years ago) link
are you repeating a joke you didn't get in the first place
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:46 (twelve years ago) link
I remember the Albert Rosenfeld scene, smartass, as he's one of the only characters who isn't a 2-dimensional archetype.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
what's it like to be able to hate things you can't remember
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:48 (twelve years ago) link
it's like being an asshole, just for yr reference
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:52 (twelve years ago) link
"2-dimensional archetypes" was not meant as a dis, btw. They can be usefully employed in the proper environment. As they are here, bcz that aspect of TP is part parody.
when ppl talk about such characters like they were created by Dostoevsky, it's tiresome tho.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:55 (twelve years ago) link
Oh god the Josie Packard subplot was horrendously awful. I had forgotten it. Almost deserves to win just because it was so incomprehensible and overwritten and drawn out over so many episodes.
― the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Friday, 16 March 2012 18:57 (twelve years ago) link
Josie in a doorknob, incomprehensible?
― pandemic, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
yeah Josie subplot def a low point of the show, altho anytime it involved Piper Laurie and Ben Horn was lol
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:14 (twelve years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVF0Mq4LJLM&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD0DF7A893A958022
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:38 (twelve years ago) link
^^^ David Lynch directed a series of commercials for Japanese canned-coffee brand "Georgia." Perhaps a hint as to how Twin Peaks would have turned out if he'd stayed on the ball!
― Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 March 2012 19:40 (twelve years ago) link
Miguel Ferrer AKA Albert, through learning bits about his career over the years, is one of the coolest mofos of all time. This year I found out he plays drums on Keith Moon's solo album, plus this little tidbit:
Another parallel with the life of Marilyn Monroe, though probably unintentional. Monroe was a friend of Rosemary Clooney, and was invited to her house for a party in 1955. Clooney had recently had a baby, and took Monroe upstairs to see him. He burst into tears when Monroe first cradled him, until he opened his eyes and saw Monroe, and simply stared back at here, wide-eyed. Monroe ended up spending the entire party upstairs with the baby. That newborn was none other than cast member Miguel Ferrer.http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098936/trivia
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0098936/trivia
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:46 (twelve years ago) link
wait does that mean George Clooney and Miguel Ferrer are brothers
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 19:50 (twelve years ago) link
the resemblance is uncanny
― Number None, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:15 (twelve years ago) link
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, March 16, 2012 3:50 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Cousins, apparently
― the prurient pinterest (Hurting 2), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:18 (twelve years ago) link
hence the different surnames
― Number None, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:20 (twelve years ago) link
brothers can have different surnames
― the sir edmund hillary of sitting through pauly shore films (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:21 (twelve years ago) link
yeah, thought everyone knew Rosemary was George's aunt though
― Number None, Friday, 16 March 2012 20:22 (twelve years ago) link
there is a story that Rosemary hired starving-actor nephew George to be her lawn/shrubbery guy one summer, and he only cut the parts she could see from her window.
― Literal Facepalms (Dr Morbius), Friday, 16 March 2012 20:23 (twelve years ago) link
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-vXHjGecJ9Nk/Tza-SimS1_I/AAAAAAAAAtU/mjlZZiXYFiY/s1600/TheMoreYouKnow.jpg
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Saturday, 17 March 2012 05:08 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Sunday, 25 March 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yeah! IIRC i based the close of this poll on the date Cooper emerges from the Black Lodge, acccording to some fan timeline dealie.
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 25 March 2012 04:13 (twelve years ago) link
It is happening again.
― clemenza, Sunday, 25 March 2012 05:02 (twelve years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Monday, 26 March 2012 00:01 (twelve years ago) link
wait you forgot the "norma's mother is secretly a restaurant critic" subplot! do overs.
― flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Monday, 26 March 2012 02:38 (twelve years ago) link