Complete political despair, despite being very comfortable otherwise

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It's not that hard to learn a foreign language when you really have to, folks.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:33 (seventeen years ago) link

Read more history and try to keep things in perspective. Everybody always feels like things are getting worse, but generally that's really not the case. Just look at the last century - are things really worse now than during the Great Depression or WWI or WWII? Is the US led war in Iraq really worse than their war in Vietnam? What's depressing is watching humanity make the same mistakes over and over again. We seem to be pretty much caught in a circle (or a wide curving spiral) when it seems like we should be moving in a more or less straight line. Just try not to get too down about things that you can't control (is what I keep telling myself).

Jeff LeVine (Jeff LeVine), Friday, 19 May 2006 15:35 (seventeen years ago) link

are things really worse now than during the Great Depression or WWI or WWII? Is the US led war in Iraq really worse than their war in Vietnam?

Is the middle class currently better or worse off than during WWII or Vietnam?

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

It helps to have lived long enough to have seen LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush I, Clinton and Bush The Worser in action. Also Mao Tse Tung, Idi Amin, Maggie Thatcher, John Major, Mitterand, Mubarak, George Wallace, et. al.

If it isn't mediocrity it is mendacity. If it isn't incompetance it is megalomania. Sometimes it is all of them together in a total cringeworthy package - like our current Bubblehead-In-Chief. The sort of people who elbow their way to the top are only rarely of a noble character. I have steadily recalibrated my expectations of politicians to a very low threshold. I mostly hope they won't facilitate too much hatred, greed and destruction along the way.

Be glad your life is so good now. Try not to cringe too much at the sight of your "leaders". It helps a bit to mock them ferociously at every opportunity.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:13 (seventeen years ago) link

Not to be completely flip there, but much of what I believe is nagging at me is more than just current political dysfunction, but a more generalized "running down." Certainly not any kind of Kunstler-esque collapse.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:15 (seventeen years ago) link

It's just the entropy taking hold. You'll get used to it. Just remember that entropy can be locally reversed by the introduction of energy from an outside source, such as sunshine or education through enlightened example.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Or Japanther playing feedback. Er.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:38 (seventeen years ago) link

If it isn't mediocrity it is mendacity. If it isn't incompetance it is megalomania. Sometimes it is all of them together in a total cringeworthy package - like our current Bubblehead-In-Chief. The sort of people who elbow their way to the top are only rarely of a noble character. I have steadily recalibrated my expectations of politicians to a very low threshold. I mostly hope they won't facilitate too much hatred, greed and destruction along the way.

It also helps to have read Henry Adams.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 19 May 2006 16:53 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a lot of great leaders and functionaries and volunteers. At some point, they will say or do something you will disagree with. In the US, electoral politics is ugly and the punditry is downright nasty. Unfortunately that is the filter we see things through.

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

There are a lot of great leaders and functionaries and volunteers.

Yes. Certainly. Many, many thousands of them. On the other side of the coin are the top percentile of power: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Frist, Hastert, DeLay and company. It's a progressive winnowing out process as you rise nearer to the top, and conscience is ballast that's tossed over the side.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:10 (seventeen years ago) link

What about running for office? Seriously. I'm considering it as an option a few years down the line, despite the existence of a few bong-rip-snapping photos in my past. Other than that, you could volunteer for an organization you believe in, or at least give some money to something.

I'm with the OP on this one. My life is going pretty wonderfully, but I have a real sense of despair and panic about the direction of the world (which has become more material as I just found out my wife is having twins). I used to get by on the general sense that over time, people become more progressive, but I think that that sense was pretty naive, and even if it IS true in the big picture, there can be some pretty scary "localized" downturns as we move towards something better.

Is the answer, as Rushkoff recently said in Arthur, to just disengage? I don't know. Maybe. Somehow that feels like giving up. But on the other hand, giving up on a system that seems irreparable might be better than trying to "fix it from the inside."

schwantz (schwantz), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Villaragosa as a person, but it remains to be seen just how much political traction he's going to get in the long haul. If he pulls off the LAUSD takeover, he will have done more than any other LA mayor in the past 20 years.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:50 (seventeen years ago) link

http://www.fwjustice.org/IMAGES/millerphoto.jpg

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 May 2006 17:52 (seventeen years ago) link

The parade of unattractive old people isn't making me feel better.

milo z (mlp), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:04 (seventeen years ago) link

i knew that was coming - politics doesn't make me feel good unless it's cool, attractive, young and multiracial

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

I like Villaragosa as a person, but it remains to be seen just how much political traction he's going to get in the long haul. If he pulls off the LAUSD takeover, he will have done more than any other LA mayor in the past 20 years.

it's good that he's aware of what an anomaly he is -- he's really taking advantage of his little window of opportunity to get shit done for his city. at least he's trying and he's not all talk, no action.

natalie portmanteau (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:18 (seventeen years ago) link

i knew that was coming - politics doesn't make me feel good unless it's cool, attractive, young and multiracial

Hey now, I didn't say white!

milo z (mlp), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:25 (seventeen years ago) link

Once your despair enters its third decade, no biggie.

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Friday, 19 May 2006 18:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Gabbneb, you can post as many pictures as you like but there will be no fundamental change in national politics until two things happen - 1. republican voters begin voting for democrats. 2. democrats stop self-balkanizing themselves.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:16 (seventeen years ago) link

republican voters begin voting for democrats.

i dunno how likely this is, aside from possibly swaying moderates who think going into iraq was a shitty idea. a lot of the republicans who've turned on bush have done so because they think he's not tough enough on immigration issues -- that certainly isn't gonna make them start voting democrat though, they'll just support some other conservative who agrees with them.

natalie portmanteau (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

polls this week showed a 10-point move to the Dems by moderate Repubs.

gabbneb (gabbneb), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:38 (seventeen years ago) link

I think that what gabneb is trying to say is that after 2006 & 2008 we can move from despair to mild depression.

Actually, all snark aside, I think we have a lot of good young blood in the Democratic party, and I think it's going to continue to improve.

Fluffy Bear (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:55 (seventeen years ago) link

polls this week showed a 10-point move to the Dems by moderate Repubs.

Meaningless until November 2006.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Actually, all snark aside, I think we have a lot of good young blood in the Democratic party, and I think it's going to continue to improve.

I think so too, but I'm not convinced that it will translate into votes. Every major election cycle has been labelled "the year of [insert trendy demographic here]" but each time that hasn't translated into actual numbers.

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Friday, 19 May 2006 19:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Blue State

pleased to mitya (mitya), Friday, 19 May 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Plot Outline: BLUE STATE is a romantic comedy about a disgruntled Democrat who actually follows though on a drunken campaign promise to move to Canada if George "Dubya" Bush gets re-elected.

"GRAVY FRIES?"

LOL

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:42 (seventeen years ago) link

I can't wait for the outdated "$100 Canadian? That's almost five US dollars!" jokes too LOL

((((((DOPplur)))n)))u))))tttt (donut), Saturday, 20 May 2006 01:45 (seventeen years ago) link

fourteen years pass...

How has this not been bumped in 14 years

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 5 July 2020 23:09 (three years ago) link

Currently oscillating between thread title and 'complete political indifference, despite (because) not being very comfortable otherwise'.

pomenitul, Monday, 6 July 2020 01:17 (three years ago) link

Somehow the mask divide makes me despair even more than racism. I know it shouldn’t, but it’s just the fact that something so obviously *beneficial* to society with no real drawbacks can still set off virulent political division. I mean I really, really hope the anti-mask thing is overplayed by twitter bots and sensational media. But it’s so fucking disillusioning. I just want to stay in my northeast liberal bubble forever.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 6 July 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

this is me. my job has kept going, I work from home, I have good savings, I'm in good health, I have 30 weeks of severance on deck if I get laid off.

but the ugliness of the world has really done a number on my emotions. on the other hand, days tend to fly back quicker cos nothing really happens, so it's making what I thought would be a long excruciating election year move faster.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 July 2020 03:01 (three years ago) link

what I thought would be a long excruciating election year move faster.

get back to us on Oct 1st with an update. ;-)

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 6 July 2020 03:34 (three years ago) link

oh for the days when things merely completely sucked

this has been the best year fuiud (rip van wanko), Monday, 6 July 2020 03:42 (three years ago) link

oh I'm sure Oct 1 from Nov 3 will feel like 3 years

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 6 July 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link

Guess that’s sort of encouraging?

There's a performativity about the mask divide which makes me think its not quite as pronounced as might appear

anvil, Monday, 6 July 2020 07:24 (three years ago) link

Glad not to have to have that argument here in England, where the mask divide is between the 1% of the population that wear them and everyone else, who is like “what’s a mask”

Keir’d flex (wins), Monday, 6 July 2020 08:25 (three years ago) link


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