craftsmanship, consumerism, virtue, privilege, and quality

Think Biff Loman would move to North Dakota but tbh this belongs in the limbo thread

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/t-magazine/culture/inside-the-world-of-sound.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1334175867-EONRKO+YJKDAcMPl2nP4/A#

“In the ’80s, things just literally fell off a cliff.” Or, as he states pointedly on the O.M.A. Web site, “People not only forgot what great sound reproduction sounded like, but at this point, most have never even heard it.”

I am about to hear it, through the Imperias, which go for $175,000 and are tall like basketball players, each speaker horn cut from solid Pennsylvania black walnut, polished to a vaguely midcentury West Coast finish.

Fuck you, clown.

High-end audiophiles always strike me as the sort of people who would never ever go to a concert.

they can't afford to! they spent all their money on the vaguely midcentury west coast finish.

I am pretty sure half these dudes own four albums, and three of them are different remasters of Dark Side of the Moon.

is 'midcentury' code for craftsmanship? lol

oh, lol, they actually mention that on the second page

can't read the article, gfy nyt

you got greedy and wasted all 10 already???

i love when ned swears. meanwhile, the first person to buy a pair was his HERO anton corbijijn!

from dude's website

There was a time, in the early part of the Twentieth Century, when the creation of horn loaded loudspeakers, field coil and full range speakers, tube amplifiers, and analog reproduction represented the highest technical challenge and achievement. As time went on, every new innovation in sound, from solid state to digital to file sharing, turned out to bring the overall quality of sound in our lives to a lower level. People not only forgot what great sound reproduction sounded like, but at this point, most have never even heard it.

meanwhile, the first person to buy a pair was his HERO anton corbijijn!

More money than sense, that man.

xp that is some straight up bullshit. There is no way that a turntable, amp, and speakers from 1950 sounds better than even it's 1980's equivalent.

I wonder if the early Misfits still sound like they were recorded in a bathroom on $175k speakers

would be fun to invite this guy and his pals for a weeklong sound tasting and then just play Miami Bass 24/7

I am sure the best equipment from 1975 sounds better than laptop speakers, yeah

old speakers do sound heavenly. to me. i will say that. i mean for analog sound i would definitely prefer older speakers. they were made for it. not so nowadays. unless some freak like this makes you a custom pair.

xp that is some straight up bullshit. There is no way that a turntable, amp, and speakers from 1950 sounds better than even it's 1980's equivalent.

yeah, wtf? the 20s-50s as the golden age of tru audio fidelity? complete bullshit.

I think it was scott who had some pioneer speakers in a pic that I have -- I got lucky and finally grabbed my dad's 1972-vintage ones. Which, sure, old.. but I think he paid $1k for two speakers and a receiver back then. I think you can get some pretty fucking nice speakers for the 2012 equivalent of $1k.

ya'll ever listen to those 78rpm discs they were making up into the mid-fifties? those things sound gorgeous! way better than any lp from the 1980s that i can think of.

hell, even crank victrolas with one-use steel needles playing electrically recorded discs (the nice ones like victor scrolls, columbia vivatonals and okeh electric's) from the late 20s sound better than a lot of records from the 1980s imo. but that is a contrarian position perhaps.

to clarify the first part of that post, i mean 78s produced in the mid-fifties not everything leading up to that point. duh. they really had it down by then! and the faster it spins, the better it sounds..

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-150557.html

faster spin = better sound is true, but beyond that...

disagree about steel needle crank victrolas of whatever sort sounding better than even midrange quality amplified electromagnetic speakers

imo there is a liveness to that sound that makes up for the lack of definition--which has more to do with the way it was recorded than the way it's being reproduced. idk, i don't think abt it much, but listening to mid-50s 78s is a good experience for someone who wants to hear an obviously 'better' sound than their mp3s or ipod can provide. just ranbling here.

http://nymag.com/news/features/artisanal-brooklyn-2012-4/

ffs.

like 2/3 of all nymag cover stories are trollgaze.

eh seems mostly fine to me

it would.

weren't you mourning the death of american manufacturing jobs in another thread?

right. so everyone should just make some overpriced fucking pickles and yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait. great plan adam smith.

No health plan? Home getting repossessed? There's always etsy!

ta

I'm not suggesting the etsy business model is gonna save america, just that it's not 'a bad thing'

i'm going to make cat bacon by the way. can't fail.

whimsical microbrewery to the world/artisanal knife maker, flea market of bent wire/city of skinny jeans.

why is the 'brooklyn' brand really any more ridiculous than any other brand in 2012?

iatee's kinda right btw. so's s.clover. the yuppie bullshit chocolate blogbait model has advantages in that it's essentially a patronage system for artisanal craftspeople with some pr savvy, and at its best, it can divert a significant amount of money (relatively speaking) into the hands of third-world producers. that's all to the good! downside, of course, is that it's a small niche market, like making paintings, horseshoes or beer for the aristocracy. only a few get to play at that level, and sadly, in the modern age, those few tend to be slumming aristocrats.

why is the 'brooklyn' brand really any more ridiculous than any other brand in 2012?

i lived in brooklyn. as a result, i would never buy "brooklyn industries" crap if my life depended on it. the very idea makes my skin crawl. exploiters pimping out the very fact of their exploitation. no. i will not play that game. even mcdonalds is less offensive. it at least is content to mean absolutely nothing.

what are they exploiting, it's just a word

ah, come on, nothing is ever "just" anything

everything means something, really means a bunch of different things, depending on your perspective

there's a strange and obstinate sort of literalism to your vision. i respect its consistency but just can't embrace it.

people buy the stupidest shit, and not just people in brooklyn, people everywhere. there are about 5 billion times as many designer t-shirts in the world as designer jars of pickles. somebody created a new market for something via branding? great, one more person with a job.

yeah, that part i'm cool with. more power to the creatively inclined! don't mean i gotta pay $18 dollars for your jar of merely adequate pickles. or embrace your hives-inducing "made in brooklyn" branding.

i lived in brooklyn. as a result, i would never buy "brooklyn industries" crap if my life depended on it.

lol @ u

it's almost as if there is something inherently, almost commodifiably authentic about the true Brooklyn spirit

there's a certain type of noxious boosterism that attaches to some neighborhoods/boroughs, for instance hackney in london is approaching brooklyn levels of boastful swag, you see shirts that say things like "proper east" on them, but you don't see the same things in quite the same quantity or force in places like brixton or queens

and i'm not sure why, like what determines these almost hysterical levels of neighborhood "pride" or whatever

"i lived in hollister, california and i wouldn't buy 'hollister' crap if my life depended on it."

it's funny what those things connote, as well; I remember hearing about the Wilmslow credit card that was available to certain Mancunians at I guess some point in the '90s, speaking to one's success & place; or conversely the M21 branded tote bags you can get in the sorta right-on area of Chorlton in Manchester today, identifying you as an environmentally conscious resident.
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