Community, the tv show

jon, nothing personal, but aside from the fact we're both posting on the Community thread i don't really suspect we share tastes in anything

lol

Fine, we both went to public school

troy comes out the dreamatorium wearing the ivory wig

I noted that too. How did they wind up with it?

power of dreams i guess

"I didn't even make a Christmas list for Santa because I didn't want to depend on a man for anything!"

"'Webster's Dictionary defines?' That's the Jim Belushi of speech openings: it accomplishes nothing, but everyone keeps using it and nobody understands why."

I agree that this was a really underwhelming season premiere. I wish people weren't forcing me to like this show.

P.S. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7068/6841249186_627d8fc0f9.jpg

absence makes the heart realize this is kind of a shitty show

I'm interested in learning more about this shittiness metric you're using.

Because I think you might be using it wrong.

absence makes the heart realize this is kind of a shitty show

― Lamp, Friday, March 16, 2012 11:09 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm :(

lol @ a slightly subpar episode somehow "proving" that its been "shitty" all along

Because I think you might be using it wrong.

as a fan of parks & rec you should ask yourself: 'do i think this is good television?' and if the answer is yes than its probably a shitty show

I dispute the premise that this episode was in any way subpar.

it was better than the ACTUAL season premiere at least

"looking back this show is actually bad" is the kind of thing you're supposed to say about a show from childhood, not a show from a few months ago

unless you're just talking shit i mean

The A-Team? Objectively bad, it's true.

Community? Still great.

as a fan of parks & rec you should ask yourself: 'do i think this is good television?' and if the answer is yes than its probably a shitty show

Well, admittedly neither show holds a candle to the revolutionary and mindblowing Revenge..........

I think what we really need is lagoon's Universal Comedy Meter to settle the argument once and for all.

fuck all y'all. I thought it was funny. hmph.

and you guys, if you want to see an actual not-funny show go watch GCB.

I hope Community calls out ABC jacking their use of the initial "B"

I think the story was shitty. Make shift sitcom wedding is a crappy cliche and the husband came off as a dick you wouldn't want to be happy for. Britta's part didn't really make sense but was pulled off well enough that I didn't care. Jeff's part seemed badly written. Annie just seemed a device. Abed, Troy and Pierce were funny but didn't add anything to the story.

Oh and the end was that awful thing I hate. 'Piece turns on machine, freaks out when all he has to do is turn it off' just pisses me off for a show that treats the audience as having a brain cell.

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I recently read the av club rundown w/ harmon talking about every season 2 episode. and he hates and is disappointed with 'normal' episodes that are just shitty sitcom tropes that don't fit community and that they have proved themselves to be better than. In particular he hated the 'jeff hates pierce because he can get laid and jeff can't' one. This seemed like that. None of Jeff's growth over 2 and a half years mattered, he falls apart straight away. Second marriage in which the groom learns he needs to be less of a dick to his housewife was done by the simpsons better, over a decade ago. Crazily, this episode added absolutely nothing to Shirley's character.

If it didn't have some A+ jokes this might have been my least favourite episode.

Another thing to give me hope though was the shitty 'normal' episodes in S2 were put in place to distract the network and keep them happy while they did stuff like My Dinner w/ Abed and stuff. So hopefully this wasn't Dan Harmon selling out his principles for a 4th season of mediocrity and stale tropes and instead means he's selling out some principles to go out with a bang.

Crazily, this episode added absolutely nothing to Shirley's character.

I completely disagree with this, btw. I think showed a lot of growth in terms of how she wants to be successful! It was kind of an important turning point in her development this season.

The weirdness thing was funny, but I feel like they underused it. The whole restaurant plot was supremely boring.

Like seriously, from that whole group, no-one felt to pipe up when he was all 'be a housewife, woman!'? I hate confrontation and even I would have something to say if my friend was hanging with someone like that, let alone marrying into it.

Maybe my favorite throwaway joke in the episode was during Shirley and Pierce's presentation to the dean, and the little dean cartoon appeared and Jim Rash says "THAT'S ME!"

that was awesome

^^^ otm

"How did I get to be holding those giant bags of money?"

also when Dean throws shirley that line about her fiscal whatever and she says 'that doesn't make any sense'

Well, admittedly neither show holds a candle to the revolutionary and mindblowing Revenge..........

this is overstated but still p much true

the dig on last nites 30 rock about character growth on sitcoms was p good, this whole increasingly solipsistic and grotesque interest in character 'growth' on sitcoms is horrible this is not what makes shows good you sad ppl

None of Jeff's growth over 2 and a half years mattered

this happens almost every episode.

sorry guys, i hate it when people are like "uh this show sucks now" and it's weird to say it about community because it's always been wildly inconsistent in tone and quality but i agree that seeing this again after it being gone for a chunk of time is kind of making me feel like "huh that's what i was missing? i wish parks and rec was on instead"

jim rash was funny though.

I don't know, I do think it was a less-than-stellar episode, but I really don't understand how this one single episode since the hiatus could make you question your enjoyment of the show in its entirety.

If you view the series as being primarily about people figuring out how to live and interact with one another in a healthy and harmonious way (which I assert is the intended overarching theme), just about every episode is a success. This episode is no exception.

i'm not questioning that i've enjoyed it in the past, i'm questioning whether maybe it should just be canceled and done because they don't seem to going anywhere or doing anything or recognizing/repairing the flaws in the show.

I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT COMMUNITY ON THE INTERNET

I haven't watched last night's episode but this season so far has been scattershot enough that if they DID cancel it, I wouldn't be like "not in its PRIME!!!!" Though I'm not at a point where I don't want to see where it goes with the episodes made.

I don't know, I feel like, as a hoy hoy kinda was getting at, there have always been these "middling" episodes from time to time that kind of take up room between the epic laughfests. This was another one of those and I think its too early to write if off just yet.

Somewhere an Onion AV Club writers/commenter just threw up a little.

i think we can safely assume that 24/7

the dig on last nites 30 rock about character growth on sitcoms was p good, this whole increasingly solipsistic and grotesque interest in character 'growth' on sitcoms is horrible this is not what makes shows good you sad ppl

― Lamp, Friday, 16 March 2012 16:39 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

increasingly solipsistic and grotesque interest != not what is happening here btw. 1 part of many points of interest = what is happening here.

I AM NOT ARGUING ABOUT COMMUNITY ON THE INTERNET

coming in and otming a "challops" post about it being a shitty show after a string of threads about people enjoying it probably isn't your best way to approach it then, tbh

speaking of jim rash this thread is more annoying than a gym rash

i'm not questioning that i've enjoyed it in the past, i'm questioning whether maybe it should just be canceled and done because they don't seem to going anywhere or doing anything or recognizing/repairing the flaws in the show.

And

absence makes the heart realize this is kind of a shitty show

I don't have time to find and post a Community 'you're the worst' gif here but just pretend I did.

again, i hate it when people are dicks about something people are excited about so sorry for being a buzzkill. i have gotten a lot of enjoyment from this show in the past and wanted to talk about feeling weird about just feeling meh/disappointment about it now, not trying to be like "you guys are dumb for liking this."

"i am not arguing about..." is not a phrase of denial in my usage, it's like a self-affirmation to try and keep yourself from arguing about something you don't want to argue about.

dude you otm'd a challop

I think a bad episode of community is still better than most tv. I enjoyed this episode. I just don't think i'll rewatch it, mainly because i think if i did I'd find more things that bother me than amuse me.

I hold Dan Harmon to a higher standard, much like I do Sorkin, Whedon, David Simon etc. Dude can create week-in week-out EVENTS of true ability, so when he doesn't and just treats us to nice filler, I kinda want to kneejerk and hate. Maybe it was because the first episode back. They have always been a bit slow out of the gates but I still expect these folks to pull out something special.

its not really that challenging is the thing