ya idk if i'd call it a 'grower' but it definitely helps to be in the right mood. which, it turns out, i usually am.
couldn't imagine hearing this stuff 'out', it's so intimate and understated. i could imagine someone hating this record if they were sitting around anxiously waiting for something to happen or sweep them off their feet... this isn't 'just' wallpaper but it works really well in the right setting/with the right expectations... i think i gravitate towards records like this tho maybe others don't. also maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing
i love b&s but this really is nothing like b&s, can we have that debate elsewhere?
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:19 (twelve years ago) link
maybe cold rainy pacific northwest winters naturally complement this type of thing
ha, you too?
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:23 (twelve years ago) link
yea this is my second pdx winter and i'm trying to embrace it rather than continuing to hold out for whenever the hell it's supposed to be sunny again
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 08:49 (twelve years ago) link
It's very effective at creating mood but that mood is really boring, this kind of druggy blankness. I'm not a massive deep house fan at the best of times but I actively leave rooms in clubs when it gets like this, there's nothing to really hook into here. I don't really get why we're talking about Benoit & Sergio here at all.
― Homosexual Satan Wasp (Matt DC), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 09:38 (twelve years ago) link
why have actual descriptive comparisons when we can have tribalist statements of allegiance and enmity.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 10:11 (twelve years ago) link
ftr my tribe's position on Nina Kraviz is "indifferent," we just showed up to defend our Tribal Deities Benoit & Sergio's honour
― flopson, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 16:21 (twelve years ago) link
the mood reads as warm intimacy to me
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:03 (twelve years ago) link
fwiw, the only track on this i'd actually want to hear (or play) out is "ghetto kraviz"
― The Reverend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:04 (twelve years ago) link
i also just really like how loose and breathable her stuff is. as far as the album goes it's not a "major" album, it's casual, but with a very defined vision, which feels kind of rare in this protooled-within-an-inch-of-its-life world which shows every sign of worsening
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:13 (twelve years ago) link
I hardly think that's a major issue in the genre context in which she's working.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:16 (twelve years ago) link
maybe not, i have no idea!
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:17 (twelve years ago) link
i guess the reason it occurs to me is that the SOUNDS she uses are very, very nice, pristine almost, but it's in service to loose and almost ramshackle songs, which is a neat combination
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:18 (twelve years ago) link
(though "songs" is maybe overstating what they are..)
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:19 (twelve years ago) link
There are a hell of a lot of dance music albums like that though. It's practically traditional at this point.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:20 (twelve years ago) link
i guess i am just way out of it.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:22 (twelve years ago) link
No it's good news. If you like this kind of thing then there a lot of great albums for you to check out. Start with Kalabrese!
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:24 (twelve years ago) link
Also I stand by my Dani Siciliano reference above.
i love kalabrese! they/he seems more jam-packed and maximalist to me though. not skeletal and spare like this.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:25 (twelve years ago) link
some of those dance albums with pristine sounds and ramshackle songs ALSO have ramshackle voices, be warned (iirc i thought kalabrese was one of these)
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:26 (twelve years ago) link
Oh yes I would expect you to have some issues with Kalabrese, lex. Also Noze.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:27 (twelve years ago) link
yup nôze have always repelled me slightly apart from "remember love". just...disgusting vocals
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:31 (twelve years ago) link
there's also something just a little bit evil and twisted about nina kraviz that i'm responding to. like she is going to drag you down into her dark world if you let her. looseness + great sounds + evil = turkish delight for tracer hand
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 17:33 (twelve years ago) link
yea i think dani siciliano is a fair comparison, maybe luomo too. it's not mining any strikingly new territories but honestly it doesn't matter because it nails the vibe it's going for perfectly - and i don't get 'druggy blankness' at all. again, i can't imagine hearing this in a club, but maybe it codes that way in that setting.
i'm actually glad that it wasn't produced by someone like matthew herbert tho, it wouldn't have the same warmth. tbh i think siciliano, kalabrese and noze actually accomplish something a lot more twisted than this record. nina gets a little 'evil' as tracer mentioned but if you're looking for disjointed alien sex jamz you have come to the wrong place
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 18:53 (twelve years ago) link
yeah i meant psychologically twisted rather than anything specifically in the sonics
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:51 (twelve years ago) link
more of that indie tech house
2012 landfill indie house
Big up the ghost of DFA
Blondes/Talabot/Kraviz
Your time
― jimitheexploder, Tuesday, 20 March 2012 23:58 (twelve years ago) link
yea we've already talked about how none of those things have anything to do with dfa
lol @ 'landfill' in the context of three albums as they compare to the glut of post-dubstep blah (talk about BORING) put out in the first few months of 2012. and talabot might be a bit indie but don't you like sun araw and shit?
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:50 (twelve years ago) link
This is mega Berlin 2012 DFA tech indie house if ever I saw it.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:55 (twelve years ago) link
so what (it isn't, but so what anyway)
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:57 (twelve years ago) link
i agree with some of those qualifiers but still sorta fail to see how dfa has anything to do w/it (maybe ndf/benoit & sergio at a stretch)
plus, dfa is great! i love all of those qualifiers except "tech house", but i guess that term can be stretched to mean p much whatever you'd like
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 00:59 (twelve years ago) link
when i think 'tech house' i think of maetrik or smthg and then i want to fall asleep
― akadarbarijava (psychgawsple), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:01 (twelve years ago) link
I keep wondering why I have such an urge to post negatIve comments on this thread, but then I realise that's because I've listened to the incredibly mundane music linked in the youtubes. Come on, it's Beatport fodder super-clean quasi deep "t-shirt house" with a marketing angle. Lee Foss mentioned above is probably about right for the sort of music you'd have in the same set.
I don't want to be a hater, but I can't help myself with this one.
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:19 (twelve years ago) link
Hope that wasn't too harsh :/ I'm a little dunk
― Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:21 (twelve years ago) link
would have never guessed this would be something so many people would take such a strong disliking to :/
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:26 (twelve years ago) link
still my favorite album so far this year tho all y'all can suck it ^_^
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
Its some kinda turbo bland stealth tech house vibe washing over ealy 2012 like a brown turd fog.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 01:41 (twelve years ago) link
Every time Jimi references DFA in these discussions his point loses a bit more credibility.
Surely the default negative comparison point for dark, smoky repetitive pre-and-post minimal techo-house is Poker Flat (though nb. I love loads and loads of Poker Flat).
And this does sound like an album that might have been released on Poker Flat literally at any time between 2001 and 2011.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:20 (twelve years ago) link
well dfa is the only indie house explosion I can remember I'm not that old.
shitty live-ish drums on some kinda techy disco house grid with some kinda deep house vibes.
+vaugly loose analouge synth work... its all there DFA is all over this shit.
depressing old man indie house
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link
I like DFA and I like this and this sounds nothing like DFA.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:39 (twelve years ago) link
And I don't see what this has anything to do with indie or live drums or disco house.
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:40 (twelve years ago) link
or old men
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:41 (twelve years ago) link
This is just grid locked DFA Papa house.
DFA is THE indie dance label of ye olde times.
This shit has live sounding drums locked to a house grid.
+I keep seeing Nina/Blondes/Talabot as the only dance album on indie forums this year.
They're the dad house indie house tracks of the year so far.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
u make no sense
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:46 (twelve years ago) link
Jimi, you tell me some albums from indie artists that have crossed over to dance forums so I can come vomit on them, plz.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
jimi, step your guilt by association game up, please
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:51 (twelve years ago) link
Beach House
I don't mind a cross over.
It's just that this stuff is kinda shit/boring.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:53 (twelve years ago) link
jimi i love u but i don't hear anything the tiniest bit live-sounding about these drums, and it doesn't read as DFA-ish at all to me. i hear it as analog-ish straight-up house (and i don't have the dance music background to be able to really distinguish between different genres of house, but i want to say it sounds like 'classic' or 'regular' house, whether that means 'deep' or Detroit techno or whatever), and the vocals are the one thing giving it some identity and personality (and that's not a diss, necessarily).
― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:56 (twelve years ago) link
Jimi would you like to borrow a shovel to save some time.
― Tim F, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 02:58 (twelve years ago) link
jimi i love u but you're bringin me down
its all sampled kits clipped from dads drums and clicked to a grid
to make it sound generic in that dfa kinda way.
the early dfa comps went right into this sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OROghdWYfcM / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7u3Po15_L8
Nina just sounds like a minimal dub version of that.
― jimitheexploder, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:07 (twelve years ago) link
sounds like drum machines to me
and huge lols at dissing something by comparing it to "casual friday"
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
(which nothing on this sounds anything like)
― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 March 2012 03:12 (twelve years ago) link
https://undergroundandblack.com/2019/10/29/keeping-it-real/
ash lauryn weighs in
― djdirtbagstyle, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:19 (four years ago) link
Yeah, her response is embarrassing but it's also clear there's a total disconnect and she just doesn't get it (and also isn't particularly interested in getting it, which is the main thing driving people crazy I think)
― change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:22 (four years ago) link
i think ash lauryn nails it more than anyone else is ever likely to.
― stirmonster, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 20:34 (four years ago) link