Werner Herzog films: c/d/s/d

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my best fiend is one of the best movies ever

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link

Kaspar Hauser is the best!

I've read Herzog on Herzog, it's amazing.

I've also watched both Kaspar Hauser and Hearts of Glass with the director commentary on. He is amazingly entertaining.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Watch "Land of Silence and Darkness", it's his best documentary and one of the best films ever made

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

So what do we think about Incident at Loch Ness?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I love this anecdote from Ebert's review:

Rather than say exactly what I think about the veracity of "Incident at Loch Ness," let me tell you a story. A few years ago at the Telluride Film Festival, Herzog invited me to his hotel room to see videos of two of his new documentaries. One was about the Jesus figures of Russia, men who dress, act and speak like Jesus and walk through the land being supported by their disciples. The other was about a town whose citizens believe that a city of angels exists on the bottom of a deep lake and can be seen through the ice at the beginning of winter. Wait too long, and the ice is too thick to see through. Crawl onto the ice too soon, and you fall in.

Herzog has made many great documentaries in his career, and I was enthralled by both of these. He's a master of the cinema, with an instinct for the bizarre and unexpected. After I saw the films, he said he only had one more thing to tell me: Both of the documentaries were complete fiction.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:02 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey, I started this topic! Years ago!

Search God's Angry Man, I finally tracked down a copy of it.

Going to see Incident at Loch Ness today.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Herzog PWNS. Herzog on Herzog PWNS.

I just bought "Land of Silence and Darkness!"

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

"God's Angry Man" PWNS too, even at < an hour.

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:12 (nineteen years ago) link

we need a animated jpg of the dancing monkeys to put on every thread

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:21 (nineteen years ago) link

I HAD ONE! LET ME FIND IT

"FCC MONKEY BAND"

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 16:22 (nineteen years ago) link

gene scott has little patience for simian precussionists

still bevens (bscrubbins), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:06 (nineteen years ago) link

search: herzog in julien-donkey boy; 'kaspar hauser'; 'fitzcarraldo'; 'aguirre, the wrath of god'.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

you know which one I saw a few months back which blew my mind? FATA MORGANA. Echoey Sahara Desert travelogue with almost no dialogue, until the final third, where they show up at a bordello, and just... hang out.

I've never seen a bad Herzog film.

(Jon L), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm otm.

cºzen (Cozen), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:26 (nineteen years ago) link

I have seen a bad Herzog actually, now that I think about it ... Where The Green Ants Dream is pretty bad.

identity theftor (deangulberry), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Invincible was bad at times, probably the worst Herzog I've seen. You just can win when you have an overly earnest kid part in a film.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Thursday, 28 October 2004 17:35 (nineteen years ago) link

Incident at Loch Ness was very amusing. At this point in Herzog's career mocking himself is one of the better things he can do.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:00 (nineteen years ago) link

i've never seen a w.h. film

amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:02 (nineteen years ago) link

I have many, I can let you borrow them.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:07 (nineteen years ago) link

but will you?

grammateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:08 (nineteen years ago) link

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000067X3.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

yes, I WILL

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Friday, 29 October 2004 04:14 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.sonymusic.com.tw/album/494939-2/494939-2-b.jpg

OK

amateur!!st, Friday, 29 October 2004 04:17 (nineteen years ago) link

MASSIVE fucking classic.
Didn't like Heart of glass.
Saw virtually everything else mentioned up thread tho' and found it all brill.
Search: aguirre, fitzcarraldo, kaspar hauser, little dieter, nosferateau for starters.

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 29 October 2004 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd interested to know if anyone has seen Werner Herzog Eats his Shoe. Apparently, he promised Errol Morris (another feature documentary maker) that he would eat his own shoe if Errol completed a his long term project Mr Death, which he did in 95. So next time they met up Errol made him keep his word.
-- K-reg (drelocatio...), November 6th, 2001 7:00 PM.

Actually, the film was Gates of Heaven. W.H. Eats His Shoe is like the greatest film trailer of all time.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

Apparently, Les Blank's doc on the making of Fitzcarraldo is even more classic.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:12 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah, that's classic.

cºzen (Cozen), Friday, 29 October 2004 09:26 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
herzog rules me. nosferatu is one of the very few remakes i've seen that actually works.. and has great artistic merit in its own right. i'm thinking i need a herzog box set if such a thing exists. i just bought stroszeck the other day.. i love films like this, which portray life so starkly. some time last year i went to his premiere of wheel of time at the la county museum of art.. it's a doc the dalai lama commissioned him to make about buddhism and the pilgrimage to bodh gaya.. intriguing, but at many points i felt detached since herzog admittedly doesn't know a great deal about buddhism (and neither do i). i guess it's one of those projects that is designed to make you want to research the subject.. so that's probably a sign it's a fairly successful film.

steph jam (steph jam), Sunday, 9 January 2005 23:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I love halfway through the thread when kyle and jed talk about owning Herzog films and still not having watched them. I bought used copies of those two Anchor Bay collections for insanely cheap (less than $100 for both, iirc) sometime last year and still haven't watched any of the films except for Lessons in Darkness. Herzog must just be attractive to keep at arms length.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago) link

the book title herzog on herzog has the potential to be a compelling pr0n, starring, of course.. herzog. or maybe it could be lena herzog and werner herzog. his wife is a hot younger blonde.

steph jam (steph jam), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Werner Herzog has the best voice for DVD commentary tracks.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

Werner Herzog has the best voice for Earth.

American Apparel and Jeanne-Claude (deangulberry), Monday, 10 January 2005 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

his short documentary on american livestock auctioneers is pretty great. it centers around an annual contest of some of the fastest-speaking motherfuckers i've ever heard. i think it's called "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck?"

contribute, Monday, 10 January 2005 02:03 (nineteen years ago) link

It's so sad at the beginning of 'the enigma of kaspar hauser' when it says 'every man for himself and god against all'

mm, Monday, 10 January 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i love him! i love werner!

.adam (nordicskilla), Monday, 10 January 2005 02:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Deep Discount DVD has both boxed sets for $53.99 each (free shipping), so that's $9 for each DVD - a steal. The Kinski/Herzog box is phenomenal. The only so-so disc is Cobra Verde, and even that one has some astounding moments. I was really amazed by My Best Fiend - definitely one of the best docs of the 90s. The opening scene with Kinski on his "Jesus" tour is alone worth the price of admission.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Monday, 10 January 2005 02:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Have either of those fictitious documentaries in the Ebert anecdote surfaced?

milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 10 January 2005 02:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Search: Burden of Dreams, a doc about the making of Fitzcarraldo, if only for this quote (read in the most ridiculous German, Sprockets-ish accent you can muster):

"Kinski says [the jungle] is full of erotic elements. It's not so much erotic, but full of obscenity. Nature here is vile and base. I wouldn't see anything erotic here. I see fornication and asphyxiation and choking, fighting for survival and growing and just rotting away. Of course there's a lot of misery, but it's the same misery that's all around us. The trees are in misery, and the birds are in misery. I don't think they sing; they just screech in pain. Taking a close look at what's around us, there is some sort of harmony. It's the harmony of overwhelming and collective murder. But when I say this, I say this all full of admiration for the jungle. It's not that I hate it. I love it. I love it very much. But I love it against my better judgment."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago) link

i STILL haven't watched Fitzcaralldo and Kasper Hauser. I will one day I suppose.

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago) link

The trees are in misery
I love it!

LSTD (answer) (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago) link

"Burden of Dreams" is better than "Fitzcarraldo" itself. is it available on DVD?

jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 11 January 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago) link

two months pass...
Incident At Loch Ness was awful!

whatever (nordicskilla), Sunday, 27 March 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago) link

so i hear :(

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago) link

jed wrote: "Burden of Dreams" is better than "Fitzcarraldo" itself. is it available on DVD?

Burden of Dreams: this May, on Criterion!

Ernest P. (ernestp), Sunday, 27 March 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago) link

I really enjoyed Incident at Loch Ness.

Jeff-PTTL (Jeff), Sunday, 27 March 2005 23:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I saw that you did!

whatever (nordicskilla), Sunday, 27 March 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I've only seen Aguirre and it's fantastic.
I thought Incident at Loch Ness was really good. It also made me go out and rent Aguirre the next day. I had never seen any Werner Herzog films before.

allowed (spaces are allowed), Monday, 28 March 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought aguirre was fine but incredibly over-rated when i saw it a few years ago. since then i've seen and loved both lessons of darkness & my best fiend though, so i'm guessing by the time i get around to re-viewing aguirre i'll appreciate it more.

andrew s (andrew s), Monday, 28 March 2005 01:40 (nineteen years ago) link

xpost We tried to watch that one as well and found it equally unbearable. I bailed after maybe 20 minutes, I think my wife lasted a little longer but couldn't make it until the end.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:49 (one year ago) link

Where the green ants dream is great but it is in the shadow of Fitzcarraldo (and no Klaus Kinski)

Lord Pickles (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:50 (one year ago) link

xpost to me (The July narrated one, tbc)

I feel like I have seen more than my fair share of volcano documentaries, they all kind of blend in to another.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:51 (one year ago) link

Miranda July's voice is like an ointment seeping down your leg.

lol

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 16:57 (one year ago) link

My wife was gifted a year-long subscription to that Master Class series and I actually watched a few of the Werner Herzog episodes/talks. Pretty fun, pretty interesting.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 17:00 (one year ago) link

It’s not her voice specifically for me — it’s the information/content she chooses to highlight and the twee nature of all of her output. I’ve avoided her work so far because I was pretty sure I wouldn’t like it — idk why I thought this volcano movie would be any different? Joke’s on me!

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 18:32 (one year ago) link

hadnt realized Fire of Love was a miranda july joint, glad i dodged that bullet

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 18:47 (one year ago) link

It's not, though. It was written and directed by Sara Dosa. July is the narrator.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 18:58 (one year ago) link

July brings her patented bored treacle vibe to play in the enunciation tho, hard to get past it.
the greater sin imo is that we get all this ephemera and personal life presumption but minimal volcanology and meaningful science. after an hour i was still like "yes but WHY are they running around next to volcanos like suicidal idiots"

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:05 (one year ago) link

real q - did MJ write the narration or did she read a script written by a different person and/or the director?

honestly for me it was the nature of the movie and the googly-eyed "aw @ their volcanic love" angle/lack of substance about wtf they were doing (as forks describes) that didn't appeal to me. it felt insipid when we're talking life and death and lava.

herzog himself is certainly no stranger to imitation and parody; i happen to enjoy his narration but i can see how easy it would be to mock it. that two such opposing narrators could even exist is somewhat amusing to me.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:14 (one year ago) link

people who dislike miranda july are rong imo :(

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:15 (one year ago) link

maybe -- i will admit that i am unable to enjoy a certain type of wholesome entertainment.

know what earthly substance dgaf about your enduring volcanic love for each other? churning lava

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:17 (one year ago) link

ha, yes.
also the pseudo-Wes Anderson direction did this no favors with its manneristic obviousness; killed most of my interest in the leads dead in its tracks

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 19:40 (one year ago) link

> herzog himself is certainly no stranger to imitation and parody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y_kfWUCFDQ

koogs, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 20:59 (one year ago) link

july ain't anymore twee than harry crews

massaman gai (front tea for two), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 21:55 (one year ago) link

that's a weird comparison and i'm a big fan so i'm gonna say no and post this video of crews explaining how to cook a possum as proof otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5kjm9IuIMc

POLIZISTEN VERSINKEN IM SCHLAMM (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 17 January 2023 21:59 (one year ago) link

we watched some shorts last night. Last Word was easily my favorite because the music was amazzzzzing. Precautions Against Fanatics runner up bc it was so quietly funny.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 19 January 2023 21:15 (one year ago) link


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