I just saw something called Volume II on ebay with these tracks:
1. My Canyon Memory
2. Sisters of Mercy
3. Sailing Boats
5. Lisa's Funeral
6. This Town
7. Freight Train
9. Little Bit of Rain
10. What You've Done
11. Cherry Jam
12. Indian Summer
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 6 September 2007 22:42 (thirteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 6 September 2007 22:44 (thirteen years ago) link
Magick Power, Magick Power...
― sexyDancer, Thursday, 6 September 2007 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
i've got this -- it's a bootleg right? Has slightly dodgy sounds anyway. Roback (I think) sings quite a bit on it, if I recall correctly. There's a male singer at least ...
― tylerw, Thursday, 6 September 2007 22:48 (thirteen years ago) link
Voice of dissent, re: Early Recordings. It's good, but nowhere near as great as Happy Nightmare Baby. Best bits (Fell from the Sun, Northern Line, Harriet Brown, etc.) are lovely, dreamy psychedelic folk-pop -- some of my favorite music of that kind. But at least half the songs don't make much of an impression. Extremely pleasant, but too often limited to that.
Happy Nightmare Baby, on the other hand, is one of the best damn guitar rock albums out there. So incredibly dense, lush, SEXY, physical and intuitively right-fucking-on. Retro as hell, and locked into a psychedelic hard rock thing that necessarily limits its appeal, but absolutely unbeatable at its own game. Every song is distinctive, memorable, endlessly seductive. Maybe you have to be messed up, and you certainly have to dig "passionate" guitar solos, but even so...
Mazzy Star can't hold a candle. Nice, but nowhere near as deep. The Rainy Day thing is worth it only for I'll be your mirror - otherwise disposable. Kendra Smith's Guild of Temporal Adventurers EP is nearly as good as Early Recordings. Much creepier, often awkward as hell, but w/ tons of sick magnetism and an unbeatable Can cover.
― Bob Standard, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:13 (thirteen years ago) link
Shakey, the "Indian Summer" track is indeed a Doors cover, appeared on a Chemical Imbalance 7", and is as great as anything on ER.
Wonder why _ER_ hasn't been bootlegged yet?
I bought a counterfeit LP a few weeks ago. I seriously doubt it was an actual Rough Trade reissue!
All Opal is CLASSIC. I need that boot CD really bad. Kendra solo is essential as well.
― sleeve, Thursday, 6 September 2007 23:26 (thirteen years ago) link
Happy Nightmare Baby is definitely the pinnacle of Roback's vision (especially the title track), but Early Recordings is surprisingly strong, especially without the heavy psychedelic assist from the guitars. Parts of Rainy Day, and certainly more than just "I'll Be Your Mirror" are just wonderful, especially "I'll Keep it With Mine" and "Flying On the Ground is Wrong" is just devastating. Mazzy Star obviously has many incredible tracks too. I certainly wouldn't dismiss it just because it's not quite as amazing.
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 7 September 2007 00:15 (thirteen years ago) link
yeah for years I snottily dismissed Mazzy Star as Opal wannabes given their lineup, thought Hope was just trying to imitate Kendra and thought Roback was striving to recapture past glories. Then at a particularly surreal, druggy party back in '98 I heard both CDs and they suddenly made a ton of sense. These days I think those first two MS CDs express the heroin-as-music vibe better than anything except a coupla Spacemen 3 records. Soporific in a good way.
― sleeve, Friday, 7 September 2007 00:24 (thirteen years ago) link
man i love opal so much, and strongly prefer the early/ clay allison stuff to 'happy nightmare' though it's def. good.
somehow and very weirdly with 'chemical imbalance' i managed to release two covers called "indian summer" --one the opal cover of the doors song, the other dean wareham's first solo release and a version of the beat happening song. (to further complicate things, later sonic boom covered dean's version thinking it was dean's song).
anyway, i hope to release the opal track in the best-of ci book/ cd out next year though i'm not holding my breath that roback and smith will okay that, even though the project is a benefit... we'll see.
― Mike McGooney-gal, Friday, 7 September 2007 01:46 (thirteen years ago) link
The ERII boot is pretty good and worth a moderate hassle to track down. There's a FLAC version circulating around on the torrent sites. Try tracking it down there first. I am also biased in this opinion.
I believe that the source of these was originally a cassette tape of unused tracks that would have made up some of the second Opal album. Roback sings most of them.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 7 September 2007 01:54 (thirteen years ago) link
I must have this collection. (I think late summer is also good Opal listening weather in the gloaming -- will put it on in a bit here.)
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 7 September 2007 02:04 (thirteen years ago) link
early recordings 2 is kinda disappointing, but "sailing boats" is a great song, i'd love to hear a decent quality version of it.
(early recordings is one of my top 5 albums ever)
― zappi, Friday, 7 September 2007 02:12 (thirteen years ago) link
Bob Standard very OTM.
― inhibitionist, Friday, 7 September 2007 05:44 (thirteen years ago) link
i managed to get hold of the UK pressing of fell from the sun with 'frieght train' on it. great song, if not quite at the level of the a-side.
i love opal, and my ER cd sits next to my DAW as my reference disc of what an amazing recording sounds like
― electricsound, Friday, 7 September 2007 08:09 (thirteen years ago) link
has anyone heard beachouse? they capture that spooky early recordings sound pretty well. so when and what label did this volume 2 emerge? when do the recordings date from? is it post hnb?
― cw, Friday, 7 September 2007 09:44 (thirteen years ago) link
theres no official release, just low quality mp3s. its pretty much all the demo stuff left off early recordings, and with two or three exceptions (sailing boats, what you've done, vespers maybe) i think the compilers of the official album made the right choices.
― zappi, Friday, 7 September 2007 09:58 (thirteen years ago) link
do you like the kendra smith solo stuff joni? i ain't never heard it.
― cw, Friday, 7 September 2007 10:00 (thirteen years ago) link
i love the guild 10", but i found the songs on the 4ad album lacking, although she did a cracking version of richard & mimi farinas "bold marauder". email me your address & i'll send ya some stuff if ya want.
― zappi, Friday, 7 September 2007 10:04 (thirteen years ago) link
ta joni. what's that farinas stuff like? i haven't heard a note but i like been down so long it looks like up to me, is it straight ahead folkie fayre?
― cw, Friday, 7 September 2007 10:14 (thirteen years ago) link
yeh pretty much straight folk with boy/girl harmony singing on first album, second album is more dylan-like with guitars & drums. its all good though! j has been hassling me to read that book for years now.
― zappi, Friday, 7 September 2007 10:22 (thirteen years ago) link
it's funny, a bit kerouac-y, you get the feeling he had better in him, i'll keep an eye out for those r & m rekkids!
― cw, Friday, 7 September 2007 10:29 (thirteen years ago) link
Early II is a bootleg of B-sides that was put together on a music blog with handy downloadable cover art included. (I'll try to track down which it was later.) It was never released even as legitimate bootleg cd, so some "entrepreneur" is basically taking the mp3s from the music blog, making cds from them and then selling them on ebay.
― Bill in Chicago, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:24 (thirteen years ago) link
Youtube comes through. Hope singing for Opal:
― Spencer Chow, Monday, 22 October 2007 04:52 (thirteen years ago) link
You can find Early Recordings II on this website, hXXp://xholdesert.blogspot.com/, look in the March archives, Rainy Day is also there. The best tracks were indeed kept for the official release, but finding this collection of unreleased songs today makes me happy beyond words. "Sailing boat" is a beauty, and Kendra's voice on the Leonard Cohen cover "Sisters of mercy" is at its honey sweetest.
― catessence, Wednesday, 24 October 2007 15:13 (thirteen years ago) link
a bump to mention that a really great clay allison live show from 1984 just popped up recently on dime, as well as a 1987 opal show which i haven't listened to yet. the clay allison show makes me wish there was much more documented from them from this era. from the notes of the person who posted it, it seems there's more to come as well.
― city worker, Thursday, 30 April 2009 13:06 (twelve years ago) link
ooooooooooooooooh! thanks for the tip
― zappi, Thursday, 30 April 2009 13:34 (twelve years ago) link
if anyone's interested i just posted a 1984 opal show here: http://ow.ly/4tAZq probably the same one city worker mentions above? anyway, it's great.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:12 (ten years ago) link
― Marco Damiani, Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:15 (ten years ago) link
CD80 mix upthread needs more Rain Parade but no idea what i'd remove :/
― hey ilxor, thanks for contributing, glad you stopped by (ilxor), Tuesday, 5 April 2011 16:18 (ten years ago) link
i'd remove all the mazzy star (i like 'em, but..)
― ita butthurt (electricsound), Wednesday, 6 April 2011 01:26 (ten years ago) link
re-upped this with a better link -- track order was all out of wack.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 6 April 2011 15:45 (ten years ago) link
weird, there's a vinyl bootleg of that 1984 clay allison gig floating around: http://www.discogs.com/Clay-Allison-Live-At-The-Electric-Banana-5221984/release/5456137anyone got it?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:19 (five years ago) link
I have this. My wife is a major Kendra fan so I bought this for her for her birthday last year. Sound quality a solid B, and the songs / performances sound terrific. Cool cover art, too, not very bootleg-y. Definitely worth the plunge.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 15:59 (five years ago) link
yeah, i've heard the tape previously -- pretty cool performance (and fairly different from Early Recordings in some respects, if i remember correctly. some pretty heavy moments).
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:01 (five years ago) link
yep, if it's not too pricey, I'd get one... I got it as a gift and agree with Jimmywine's assessment!
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:01 (five years ago) link
I need to look and see if that was one of the shows that came up on Dime a few years back, there were a bunch. If it's the one I'm thinking of, it is pretty great.
― sleeve, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:02 (five years ago) link
pretty sure it's the one i posted upthread a few years ago (link is dead however)
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:09 (five years ago) link
Re that Early Recordings II bootleg, Matt Piucci found out about it earlier this year and was really pissed off as a couple of the songs are apparently not Opal songs at all but are I guess Rain Parade demos or just Matt P solo, and he was somehow under the impression that David Roback was responsible for putting it out!
― Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:20 (five years ago) link
weird! what an odd career roback has made for himself. still seems crazy that the opal stuff hasn't been collected/reissued properly.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:39 (five years ago) link
agreed, just madness
― sleeve, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:39 (five years ago) link
numero group putting out a deeeluxe box set w/ early recordings + happy nightmare, plus live & unreleased action (hopefully not matt piucci solo demos, haha) ... i would buy it.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:53 (five years ago) link
that is so weird about Early Recordings II, I'll have to give that a closer listen
― sleeve, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 16:59 (five years ago) link
that version of "indian summer" on ERII -- so good. though this one w/ hope is very good too... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1wnAsSB71M
― tylerw, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 17:02 (five years ago) link
so that LP is not one of the 4 shows I have, another thing to add to the list. when looking, I also found this tragically lost item with three more early songs that have never appeared anywhere afaict:
― sleeve, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 23:16 (five years ago) link
oops, they are on Early Recordings II, carry on
― sleeve, Wednesday, 25 November 2015 23:17 (five years ago) link
gahhhh compilation tracks and ephemera I was not aware of
a Syd Barrett cover!!! some song called "Ghost Highway" from a Rough Trade promo tape?!?!
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 22 February 2016 22:29 (five years ago) link
yeah, found that barrett cover on youtube a little while agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFV4geZ-IHApretty good! didn't know about "ghost highway" -- the same song that mazzy star did?
― tylerw, Monday, 22 February 2016 22:36 (five years ago) link
it might just be that track, yeah
― the 'major tom guy' (sleeve), Monday, 22 February 2016 22:41 (five years ago) link
OPAL - 1987, Sept.17, Live VIDEO, w. Kendra Smith singing, San Diego, SST Records Fest
― sleeve, Monday, 15 July 2019 16:25 (two years ago) link
― tylerw, Monday, 15 July 2019 16:35 (two years ago) link
oh lol, i get it now.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:15 (eight months ago) link
Wouldn't mind hearing William Reid sing "She's a Diamond".
― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 18:50 (eight months ago) link
so weird that they are going to destroy the remaining copies of this. I get that they can't sell them but surely they could give them away, at least?
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:06 (eight months ago) link
that's a pretty typical aftereffect of these kinds of injunctions, iirc. like Prince w/the Black Album.
― howls of non-specificity (sleeve), Wednesday, 11 November 2020 19:10 (eight months ago) link
it's hard to believe this band or anyone associated with it has the legal or financial wherewithal to impose any kind of injunction though.
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 03:48 (eight months ago) link
I'm guessing they made a fair amount of money from Mazzy Star over the years, especially "Fade Into You"
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:07 (eight months ago) link
Roback and Hope, yes. But Roback is deceased. So I guess this falls to whoever is handling the estate, or whoever owns the rights to these recordings; I also know, from the little I've dealt with the American music club reissues, that dealing with rights holders for independent music from the 80's and 90's is a complete pain in the ass. Hats off to Light in the Attic and Omnivore and other reissue labels that have the patience to deal with it
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:13 (eight months ago) link
I mean yeah, remember that Happy Nightmare Baby was released on SST!
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:18 (eight months ago) link
I believe it was a similar rights issue that kept the Game Theory records out of print in Scott Miller's lifetime, after Enigma Records had collapsed.
― Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 12 November 2020 04:20 (eight months ago) link
So sad that there's this kinda of wrangling over what must be a thin gruel of royalties
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 12 November 2020 14:56 (eight months ago) link
exactly. Pat clarified on twitter that the rights are owned 50/50 but Roback's demands were unacceptable. Hard to understand what kind of demands you can have when it's understood that you only own 50%. Frankly owning 50% of your rights for this stuff is pretty good.
― akm, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:05 (eight months ago) link
Is the thinking sells on Discogs for $75, therefore the demand must be huge!?
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:19 (eight months ago) link
god who knows. it's probably more along the lines of 'fade into you has made oodles of money and so there must be huge demand for his back catalogue' but I don't think reissues of Emergency Third Rail Power Trip sold out instantly and made trillions of dollars.
― akm, Friday, 13 November 2020 03:51 (eight months ago) link
which songs on Early Recordings II are actually Opal songs? I assume the ones where Kendra is singing, but other than that...
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:15 (eight months ago) link
seeing as some CDs were supposedly sold have the extra tracks surfaced anywhere yet? really want to hear the properly mastered Sailing Boats
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 13 November 2020 19:21 (eight months ago) link
belated thanks to f hazel, just my webmail for the first time in months!
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Tuesday, 15 December 2020 20:10 (seven months ago) link
― thousand-yard spiral stairs (f. hazel), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 01:18 (seven months ago) link