― scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 02:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― disco violence (disco violence), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― Keith C (lync0), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:16 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 03:18 (eighteen years ago) link
ned listens to this every january, obv.
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 04:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 05:02 (eighteen years ago) link
sabotage is radical....yay cokaine!
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 17:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Myonga Von Bontee (Myonga Von Bontee), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:12 (eighteen years ago) link
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 4 January 2006 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link
I just came across a great Ozzy-referencing Monster Magnet review by Ned Raggett in AMG while looking up a particular song ("Superjudge"):
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47D1ADE46A87F20D7933150CCA77BD21FDB51F394112E045BD9A12D51980763E85FFA95CCAEFE6AB679AFF962AC500CD2C0EE53ECBC1B&sql=10:v8420rjar489
My favorite line: "...everything is scaled for the biggest arena in the universe". Sweet.
― nancyboy (nancyboy), Thursday, 5 January 2006 02:04 (eighteen years ago) link
Anyway, I like me the band Visitations, who I talk about here, and their lead guy Brendan under his Garm moniker included a cover of "Symptom" on The Acid Skull 205 that I now share via YSI:
Garm -- "Symptom of the Universe"
Do enjoy, if enjoy it you do.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 03:51 (eighteen years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 10 March 2006 04:30 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 10 March 2006 05:41 (eighteen years ago) link
― Brian O'Neill (NYCNative), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link
was used as walk on music in recent Sab tours…
― veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 10 March 2006 18:47 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s54.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=30ET9F0AQK1HE3U7UTPHTIEUDC
I would join the debate over the best Black Sabbath album but unfortunately during adolescence Paranoid was somehow burned into my DNA.
veronica, FYI "Supertzar" has been used as Sabbath's walk-on music for decades...
Anybody ever hear the Born Again demos? They're quite good.
― Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 10 March 2006 21:05 (eighteen years ago) link
ned, it's time to listen to this again
― cutty, Friday, 2 January 2009 19:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Sabbath had already invented metal, but this song really invented the more modern style of heavy riffing that everyone in the 80s and beyond copied ad nauseum.
There's also a really great Sepultura cover of this on Blood Rooted with a nicely tweaked acoustic outro (that's purposefully less funk AND instrumental).
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 3 January 2009 00:56 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, way up thread, people keep saying that the first 5 Sabbath albums are great. This track is from their 6th album. Collect them all people!
― Nate Carson, Saturday, 3 January 2009 00:57 (fifteen years ago) link
this is the song of songs
― Fursona (real life tauren ^_^) (cankles), Saturday, 3 January 2009 01:01 (fifteen years ago) link
I love how the heaviest metal riff of all time morphs into this samba/flamenco noodly thing at the end.
― redmond, Saturday, 3 January 2009 02:14 (fifteen years ago) link
this is the krautrockiest sabbath song
well, one of the krautrockiest
― what we do is secrete (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 3 January 2009 03:43 (fifteen years ago) link
the end is definitely influenced by side 2 of led zeppelin IV
― cutty, Saturday, 3 January 2009 03:47 (fifteen years ago) link
"Thrill Of It All" is more "kraut"-ier, as in it bounces between the harder rock Guru Guru and Amon Duul II, even during THEE SHIFT on that song when the synths kick in, the disco is on, and Ozzy falsettos "AAAAAAAAAAOOOOW YEEEEEEEEEEAH!"
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Saturday, 3 January 2009 06:46 (fifteen years ago) link
Ha, I like how I was invoked above. And yes it is January and yes I am playing this song of songs again YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 January 2009 07:20 (fifteen years ago) link
one of sabbath's greatest songs. pity the album as a whole is inconsistent with bizarre arrangements and forays into the orchestral offsetting the potency of the tunes on offer.
― Charlie Howard, Monday, 19 January 2009 07:50 (fifteen years ago) link
i have not heard Sabotage, but I really REALLY want to....Symptom is second only to Children of the Grave & Supernaut in my book (with Cornucopia right on its heels...man what a great band!)
― Test Tube Teens from the Year 1754 (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 19 January 2009 14:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Sabbath albums 5-8 are great BECAUSE they are inconsistent, mostly. Never SAy Die! is consistent though, and also great. But Sabotage is at least the best of these four.
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 19 January 2009 16:17 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, Sabotage's "inconsistency" = its basic weirdness, right?
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 19 January 2009 16:19 (fifteen years ago) link
I don't think they're even weird. It's more a matter of degrees. The first four Sabbath albums are, more or less, this atomic molecule that changed the weight of rock, but still, as much as I think the first four are vital and important, I got tired of them, so the looseness and variety of the next four Sabbath albums was really nice, even if they were made under less than ideal circumstances wrt the band on drugs, getting along, falling apart.
Never Say Die! is great, but in the grimmest way wrt the band. That album is the sound of a band trying to run the 10 meter dash, and just slowing down around meter 2 or so. It's (untentionally?) thematic in a sense. The quasi-random instrumental "Break Out" is a key track here. It's kinda like Sabbath's dirgey "L.A. Blues". Still the songs are very strong here.
There isn't a Sabbath album among the first 8 that sucks. Technical Ecstasy is the worst of the 8 only that it's merely good. It does have a handful of their worst songs of that era, though. ("Rock N Roll Doctor", "Gypsy" -- even though "Gypsy" has good parts in it.)
I like the first three Ozzy solo albums, but the best one is as good as Technical Ecstasy at best.
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 19 January 2009 16:38 (fifteen years ago) link
And I love "It's Alright". Go Bill!
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 19 January 2009 16:40 (fifteen years ago) link
You know what I mean by "weird": It's like they were listening to a lot of Queen or something.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 19 January 2009 16:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Althought that's a real simplification.
― If Timi Yuro would be still alive, most other singers could shut up, Monday, 19 January 2009 16:42 (fifteen years ago) link
Good post above, Mackro. I always thought the first half of Gypsy was great (fantastic riff), the second half some of the worst shit Sabbath has ever done.
Never Say Die is great.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 19 January 2009 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link
..and Cheap Trick, and Thin Lizzy, and pretty much many 70s hard rock and/or poprock bands well established by then, yeah
if you see a 1978-era Sabbath show, you'll see Bill Ward invented the "crusty" look, easily.
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 19 January 2009 16:47 (fifteen years ago) link
(ok, fine, "crusty" is def. Bad Brains fashion worship. Bill Ward dreads just coincided.)
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 19 January 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
YES YES YES YES YES
there is some amazing stuff on NSD. do not listen to haters.
― HELPING CHILDREN THROUGH RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
― 909090909 Rivethed Brikkchin Reverk now DANZ (Mackro Mackro), Monday, January 19, 2009 11:40 AM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark
^this!
― hey man dont look at me i dont vote (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:12 (fifteen years ago) link
and i know it's just cover art. but just look at this and say this isn't fucking awesome
http://i18.tinypic.com/47xnegy.jpg
― Ashee Bolanalli (Mackro Mackro), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:21 (fifteen years ago) link
proto-Daft Punk fashion?
weird, I was listening to sabotage non-stop over the holidays and decided my favorite sabbath albums are paranoid, master of reality, and sabotage.
this poll had me listening to vol 4 again like mad, but after all these years I still don't get the love for that album. you wanna talk about inconsistency?
"wheels of confusion" - yawn"tomorrow's dream" - ok"changes" - awesome mellotron but if you're a third of the way through yr sabbath album and the best song so far is a ballad there is a problem"fx" - oh wait you are right this album rocks!"supernaut" - don't get it. not a bad a song, definitely a good one. but I'm clearly not feeling it the way others are."snowblind" - now this is a great song!"cornucopia" - another great song!"laguna sunrise" - love the iommi mellow instrumentals. this isn't better than "orchid" but it's pretty damn good. wow, maybe this album is turning around!"st vitus dance" - nope. note to sabbath: you are not the allman bros."under the sun" - can't even remember what this one sounds like. I think it's good + doomy? I'm too wracked with disappointment to pay attention.
compare with sabotage:"hole in the sky" - great song, and love the way they start with the noise of fiddling and getting ready to start, it's like this is a BAND"don't start (too late)" - it's filler but it's so short who cares"symptom of the universe" - omfg OMFG"megalomania" - okay at this point I've got almost 20 minutes of riff perfection, why you no like this album?"the thrill of it all" - a good-not-great song, but that's all I need to keep my high going at this point"supertzar" - kind of dopey but kind of cool in that wtf-is-sabbath-doing-now way"am I going insane?" - underrated song, also like how they bury the pop tune in the back of the album"the writ" - the only problem with this song is that it can't support an 8 minute runtime, gets draggy but starts out great especially if it's cranked
― Edward III, Monday, 19 January 2009 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
x-post -- I like how that and Technical were both Hipgnosis designs with blueprint style drawings on the inner art -- an (unintentional?) harbringer of a more tech-obsessed obsessed future in a way (somewhere in here is something that could be said involving the impact of Gary Numan on prog types and Rush's demi-reinvention as New Wave but I'm not Dave Q so I wouldn't be able to explain it as well).
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 19 January 2009 17:31 (fifteen years ago) link
the children of the never say die cover appeared on warning's albums:
http://i42.tinypic.com/11ht4as.jpg
― HELPING CHILDREN THROUGH RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 19 January 2009 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
"fx" - oh wait you are right this album rocks!"supernaut" - don't get it. not a bad a song, definitely a good one. but I'm clearly not feeling it the way others are.
^ you must have a defective copy where these tunes are reversed on the record, but correct on the cover.
― Bill Magill, Monday, 19 January 2009 17:49 (fifteen years ago) link
lol
my "supernaut" allergy is well-established
― Edward III, Monday, 19 January 2009 17:53 (fifteen years ago) link
Mellow Sabbath is some of the best SabbathThere are worse ways to pass the late afternoon than to put “solitude” on repeat
― calstars, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:10 (six years ago) link
"we sail through endless skies" my mellow sabbath album
https://open.spotify.com/user/matthelgeson/playlist/6KAiYTobROEmgOk0uDMQJh
― Joan Digimon (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:14 (six years ago) link
Veddy nice
― calstars, Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:39 (six years ago) link
I still give that one a spin every now and then!(xpost)
― Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 4 January 2018 00:55 (six years ago) link
A month late for the usual revive but
YEAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 February 2019 02:23 (five years ago) link
*air drums*
― Le Baton Rose (Turrican), Friday, 15 February 2019 02:30 (five years ago) link
Valentine's Day="Symptom of the Universe, A LOVE THAT NEVER DIES!!!"
― a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 February 2019 02:31 (five years ago) link
Fan made doc on Sabotagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH8c4TKrIOo
― calstars, Saturday, 29 January 2022 04:32 (two years ago) link
Oh that’s right it’s January!YEAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 29 January 2022 05:00 (two years ago) link
That was actually quite informative about the band's management troubles, and explaining the cover. I don't hear any Mellotron on "Supertzar", though, just on "Megalomania".
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 29 January 2022 05:28 (two years ago) link
Nice to see you Ned!
― Tracer Hand, Saturday, 29 January 2022 09:57 (two years ago) link
Yeah the manager stuff was mad interestingMade me appreciate the wrath of the writ that much more
― calstars, Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:08 (two years ago) link
that was cool - ditto on the management stuff and "the writ"
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:11 (two years ago) link
Always great to hear north americans attempt to deploy (and explain) British slang.
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Saturday, 29 January 2022 20:13 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zFfh6FsDws
― calstars, Saturday, 29 January 2022 23:25 (two years ago) link
Imagine putting on side b and hearing the thrill of it all for the first time
― calstars, Sunday, 30 January 2022 01:23 (two years ago) link
the way I feel is the way I am
― calstars, Sunday, 30 January 2022 01:32 (two years ago) link