Pavement:Classic or Dud

well because your vitriol for the indie bands you don't like is so potent! but what people don't realize is that this is only because a True Indie Rock Player cannot tolerate impure visions, hangers-on, fake players in tha tr00 game! Why ride the Night Train to Butterglory when you can have the '97 California Cabernet of Trigger Cut! latecomers get a late pass, we been up in this game since the jump!

best song off S&E sounds least like the rest; i'd like them if all their songs sounded like that one.

With each Pavement album, there's like six good-to-great songs, and the rest is just absolute self-indulgent wankery garbage. It's shocking that their first couple records have achieved the status of Perfect Canonical Rock Classics That Everyone Should Buy. TRUST ME - THEY'RE NOT!

I completely agree with that, at least for S&E. I couldn't even listen to CRCR-- particularly that godawful single "Cut Your Hair"; Wowee Zowee and Brighten the Corners failed to make any impression on me whatsoever-- well, except that they seemed exceedingly mediocre. S&E has a few good songs, but "Here" is the standout tune, and it doesn't sound like the rest. I never feel inclined to listen to anything else by Pavement besides that song.

here?

also, classic!

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the last song sounds a lot like "here." i'm blanking on the name. "i've been waiting. anticipating."

pavement are my favorite band ever. it makes me a little sad to know that some people don't like them; there's certainly some aspect of their music that everyone can love. a lot of people complain about malkmus' voice (especially early), but i think that he does some fantastic things with his voice that don't really fall under the "technical" category.
i've never really heard anyone say that the guy can't write a tune, mostly because that would be absurd to say. i can see why some people would be a bit put off by his (to them) excessive ennui and laid-back style, but for me that just enhanced what i loved about him. also, the more time you spend with the records, the more you can appreciate the songs which aren't as obvious at first. i know he first time i listened to S+E, i didnt really 'get' it besides "here", which i probably put on repeat for 5 hours straight. once you get adjusted to that particular style, the other stuff starts to make sense. what might ostensibly be "self-indulgent" are to me fruitful exercises in his singular, genius style. to each his own, though.

mr snrub, that's "our singer", S+E's closer

http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/nashvillecream/2009/02/the_spin_pavement_reunion_at_t.php

four-fifths of Pavement reunites (not really) for Bob N.'s wedding

was spiral stairs not invited? harsh.
i certainly wouldn't mind seeing Pavement play live again, but all of the hubbub and hype that would accompany a potential reunion would be dreadful, I'm sure.

Bob Nastanovich says:

... As far as Pavement goes, I'd have gladly played Pavement song(s). My parts were mostly easy as many of you know and require little practice. I'd love it if Pavement reunited. Gary Young and Scott Kannberg were not invited to the wedding as I have not kept up with either as well as I should have over the last 10-15 years. Our wedding was limited to 100 guests (with plenty of family involved (both sides)). In my opinion, there should not be a Pavement reunion without all six members involved. Anyways, for the record, I'm game...

Best, Bob N

p.s. The first toast goes to Tony Crow. BN

Posted On: Monday, Feb. 23 2009 @ 10:42PM

Ha, so Bob is suggesting that the Pavement reunion should have three drummers? Uhhh. Anyway, this is probably inevitable, since they've all been "game" since the band broke up! I assume all it would take is a phone call from Malkmus.

My favorite description of them is still from GQ's 1992 year end list: "The Knack meets Sonic Youth"

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<3

terror twilight will have its proper due someday. it might take another ten years.

Well i'm sure we'll be getting one of those deluxe reissues sometime soon

can some kind soul seed the live LP that came with BtC reissue? thanks in advance if you can

http://theblackenedair.blogspot.com/2009/01/pavement-live-europaturnen-mcmxcvii.html
it's great, btw ...

how nice of you! happy holidays, friend!

classic

you know what was a killer pavement tune? 'robyn turned 26', from the grand royal groovebox comp a while back. it's like they decided to out-grand royal all the grand royal artists on their own album. brilliant.

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I don't know if i've ever heard this song?

it is not very good
also, that blog has the *other* limited pave live lp up: http://theblackenedair.blogspot.com/2009/08/pavement-live-europaturnen-mcmxcvii.html
not as good as the first one, but pretty good!

also: so classic. slanted and enchanted just gets better as time goes on.

wait a minute, there are two diff live shows with the same title and cover? sorry, i am a little bleary, having just put my cat to sleep :(

yeah one came with the BtC reissue and one was released for record store day.

wow. that's diabolically great. the purple one doesn't seem to still be available on that blog site, i guess that's the better one that came with the pre-order cd

both are from the 1997 european tour. sorry about your cat.

maybe this works? http://chainedandperfumed.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/live-europaturnen-mcmxcvii-2/

got it. thanks so much

I don't know if i've ever heard this song?

it's pretty goofy. Malkmus white-boy-rapping over a drum machine, I don't think anyone from the band is on it.

kick it with the trustafarians, colorado college, are they sega or atarians

anyone ELSE from the band I meant. even though it's credited to pavement.

^^^ess-dog precursor?

and off came those awful toe rings

Terror Twilight > Wowee Zowee > Slanted and Enchanted > Brighten the Corners > Crooked Rain, Crooked Rain.

thx 4 da challops

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i feel like they are going to hate each other by the time i see them.

yeah they probably should do more spiral songs to be safe

2 spiral songs is plenty

yes, more than enough. i'm hoping they're all pretty relaxed about the whole thing, just spending the year touring and getting paid, w/o all the baggage of being a "band" again.

yeah i hope they don't do anything too crazy like try to make a new record, hope they just enjoy playing their old songs

"easily fooled" and "strings of nashville" are great

thassa lotta money tho

That box is cool but I'd rather Drag City or whoever just keep Perfect Sound Forever in print on its own.

I keep saying this, but if they want my money they’ll release select live shows as physical media

Absolutely this. Feel like Sonic Youth starting to release physical editions of old archival shows has been successful, I'm sure they'd sell tons!

And I get why they'd release this box, there are plenty who will snap this up and they'll get paid, but... I can't imagine any Pavement thing I'd want less.

<q>Do people who buy these things know about Spotify? It's much cheaper

― H.P, Wednesday, March 13, 2024 11:17 PM</q>

this is certainly one way to look at the music you love

god dammit

Never heard of the Black Out 7”.

This was a limited release available with pre-orders of the expanded WZ in 2006.

New 7" records typically cost between $7-$15, so considering that this set is 17 records, the price isn't really outrageous by current standards.
I've got a few of the originals between Summer Babe and Pacific Trim, and probably own just about everything else between Westing and the deluxe cds.
The set does look pretty cool, graphics/packaging-wise, so I might do it.

You got what you deserved there alpine
(This boxset does look vry cool and would be nice to have)

when i interviewed Spiral last year, this is what he said about future archival stuff:

Spiral Stairs: We did a big deal with Matador a few years ago to do the catalog worldwide, so we came up with a few ideas. The movie thing was one of them, reissuing Terror Twilight and Westing was another. We’re probably gonna do like a singles box. And I really want to do a proper box set. We’ve got a lot of live stuff that we’ve recorded over the years that we’ve never done anything with and there’s some very early stuff that I’ve unearthed. There’s really cool archival stuff that people would probably be interested in. Having it all in one nice box set would be great. The older I get, these box sets are all I buy now. [Laughs].

true enough, HP.

good info, tylerw. sounds about like i imagined. i suspect Spiral wants to flush out the archives and pay his mortgage, and SM wants little to do with it but isn't going to stand in the way. no surprise the relationship with Matador changed a bit ... someone has to push them to keep the faucet dripping.

Oh cool, the box set is streaming(!)

...but there's nothing new on these?

I thought it was just the Westing comp and the album reissue b-sides* repackaged in their original form...?

*(which were already all available on streaming)

correct, nothing new.

although i will say it is kind of nice to have this stuff separated from the proper albums. reminds me of my 2CD homemade compilation of their b-sides that i made in, like, 1998ish - "Four Channel Destiny"

granted, this is soemthing you can easily do with streaming playlists, but i don't make playlists.

I think those alt versions of "Black Out" "Extradition" weren't streaming before(?)

But otherwise, yeah, I agree with alpine static – while you could recreate the track list, I still think it's cool that they made it available as a standalone thing.

Huh – the alt "Black Out" has "Gonna haunt you down, haunt you down..." lyrics

"Extradition" sounds pretty close to the album track

Also, I guess you still need to dial up the Westing... comp to hear the "Perfect Sound Forever" tracks (so Drag City Incorporated get their $0.0000002)

...and ftr, that's exactly what I'm doing now. I've never known most of these songs by title, but damn... "Internal K-Dart" and "Perfect Depth" are such anthems. After hearing those, you kinda have to play the final EP, and close out the trilogy.