― Je4nne ƒur¥ (Je4nne Fury), Friday, 27 May 2005 12:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― australian woman, Friday, 27 May 2005 13:08 (eighteen years ago) link
― On a Strict El Cholo Diet (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 27 May 2005 21:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 27 May 2005 21:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― PB, Friday, 27 May 2005 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link
It looked red on the picture someone posted in the album thread....hmm...maybe it's a ruse.
― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 27 May 2005 23:17 (eighteen years ago) link
― Nic de Teardrop (Nicholas), Saturday, 28 May 2005 05:51 (eighteen years ago) link
new solo album out October 13th. I really like the cover! that's his son & partner. Much better than that awful FutureEmbrace cover.
http://static.stereogum.com/uploads/2017/08/Ogilala-1503408277-640x640.jpg
Ogilala
.1 Zowie2. Processional3. The Spaniards4. Aeronaut5. The Long Goodbye6. Half-Life of an Autodidact7. Amarinthe8. Antietam9. Mandaryne10. Shiloh11. Archer
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:29 (six years ago) link
I really like the single, beautiful arrangement & his singing is growing on me, I like the vocal melody a lot & the piano/strings remind me a lot of some of the softer stuff on MCIS.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PdZXNET88A
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 17:31 (six years ago) link
Was just hanging with a friend who was convinced Corgan hadn't done a thing since Zwan, that he had just retired.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Your friend wasn't that far off tbh
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:45 (six years ago) link
I told him that Tommy Lee was even briefly in the band and he thought I was kidding.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:47 (six years ago) link
looking forward to Corgan getting shit for native american appropriation there yikes
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
Haha god I forgot about that.
New single is... not very good. Arrangement is ok, MCIS-y, but the lyrics and especially the delivery.. Nah. And I give this guy way more credit than most.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
didn't even spell oglala right
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 19:50 (six years ago) link
Haha god I forgot about that.New single is... not very good. Arrangement is ok, MCIS-y, but the lyrics and especially the delivery.. Nah. And I give this guy way more credit than most.
i like it more than anything he's done since Zwan. but it's all relative 😔... his voice is horrible now, but it's a better vocal take than almost anything from SP2, probably because Rick Rubin is super vocal oriented and made him sing it until he got it.... mostly right. I really love the music though, and the production.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:04 (six years ago) link
His vocals are definitely improved but the song is a nothing.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:16 (six years ago) link
what is up w that cover
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:18 (six years ago) link
i like it more than anything he's done since Zwan
eh? at the very least sp2 has a few jams
this is not a jam
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:33 (six years ago) link
this sounds like a garbage outtake from Use Your Illusion
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
I'd rather hear him do more acoustic/chamber music than RAWK out at this point. The softer stuff on MCIS & the Tonight, Tonight/33 singles has always been my favorite songwriting mode of his. Besides, 'The Spaniards' is on here and when I saw SP play it last year at one of the In Plainsong shows, it was a total shred fest.
Struggling to think of any SP2 rawk jams that are worth revisiting when we have Jellybelly, X.Y.U., Fuck You, Tales of a Scorched Earth, TAFH, half of Machina, etc. Oceania has riffs but always felt so empty & generic to me. Zeitgeist is garbage but United States is cool, albeit ruined by backup vocals and awful mix. Superchrist is fine. A Song for a Son is OK but not much of a song there, just an excuse to solo, which is fine by me. Still haven't revisited it much. One + All is a rewrite of MCIS era throwaway The Viper so it's automatically good. Burnt Orange-Black, a Day for Night casualty or Monuments outtake, is also great but it's a blatant Porcelina rewrite. Superchrist is fine. Doomsday Clock & 7 Shades of Black are cool but fuck all of those Zeitgeist songs are ruined by his horrible backup vocals.
None of the heavy stuff they've done in the past decade interests me. All of the SP2 songs I really like/love are in the same vein as the new single: The Celestials, Being Beige, Sunkissed, Owata, A Stitch in Time, The Rose March...
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
oh yeah, Superchrist is fine
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 22 August 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
I'm gonna guess the cover subjects are his girlfriend, and their son.
― The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 02:22 (six years ago) link
https://assets.rbl.ms/3349689/980x.jpg
― scott seward, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 04:58 (six years ago) link
This song is fucking slop.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 05:02 (six years ago) link
I like the song. Nice vocal by BC's standards lately.
― Sam Weller, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 09:41 (six years ago) link
I probably won't listen to this - listening to the last Pumpkins record basically confirmed to me that I'm done with new Corgan stuff. Think I'll stick to the original SP, the Zwan LP and Oceania. I don't think I need any more Corgan stuff.
― more Allegro-like (Turrican), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 10:00 (six years ago) link
the one i listen to the most these days = zwan.i love that album.
― mark e, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
yeeeaah, that is not really the issue
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
I'd rather hear him do more acoustic/chamber music than RAWK out at this point.
by "jam" i wasn't really referring to RAWK. the quieter/more dynamic moments on the last few sp albums are the high points generally ("ma belle," "stellar," "pale horse," etc.). i've said this in another sp thread but the best rockin' sp2 track is "lightning strikes" imo even though it sounds sorta like a hybrid of thefutureembrace and zeitgeist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qcZEX2iDYQ
anyway the new song is still dogshit
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:01 (six years ago) link
actually revisiting that song: i always forget how much i dislike mike byrne's drumming
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 16:03 (six years ago) link
mike byrne is the worst. Colors my opinion of all the songs he played on. I agree though all the Zeitgeist b-sides are better than gen record, which says something about Bill's judgment.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link
I really liked Sasha Geffen's write-up of the song, particularly their description of Bill's voice:
Corgan, who’s trying to rebrand himself under his full birth name William Patrick Corgan, has one of the most idiosyncratic voices in rock: high, raspy, and perforated, like it’s being filtered through a rusted metal grille at the end of a half-full sewer pipe. It made the Smashing Pumpkins stand out during the grunge years and it makes Corgan stand out now—24 years after “Cherub Rock,” no one else sings like that.
although I'm puzzled by this: "The first single off his second solo album, meanwhile, barely sees him raise his voice above a whisper." Sure, he's not shouting, this isn't Bullet, but I hear a lot of push & passion in his voice, a big part of why I like this song so much is that it sounds like Billy actually gives a shit for the first time in years.
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:26 (six years ago) link
is he really not getting any blowback for the "redface" shit on the cover? crazy. Coyne was pilloried for less.
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
Maybe his wife is Native American? Hopefully?
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:43 (six years ago) link
his wife is French and Asian
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:45 (six years ago) link
girlfriend, whatever
wtf BC
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:46 (six years ago) link
this is her dad: http://www.infomat.com/whoswho/gillesmendel.html
her mom's name is Jenny Mui
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:47 (six years ago) link
even if she was Native American I would hope she would know at least one of the common spellings of Oglala/Ogallala
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:48 (six years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oglala_Lakota
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 23 August 2017 18:51 (six years ago) link
new single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1ZnYLBKs-o
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:00 (six years ago) link
sub-Guy Maddin video
― Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:03 (six years ago) link
Saw him play this live with SP last year on the In Plainsong tour, iirc they closed the show with it. it was a total shred fest, Jimmy pounding on the drums. I dig this version, especially the double-tracked vox on the refrain, but I hope the rest of the album is more in line with "Aeronaut." I think that might be my favorite post-2000 song that Bill has written, besides "Chrysanthemum."
xp the video is footage from his short film Pillbox. I didn't bother watching it. Not into any of his extracurricular shit
― flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:06 (six years ago) link
was hoping dude would save this song for a sp record
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:00 (six years ago) link
the arrangement is less uninteresting than that other song though, and i was surprised that i actually liked the imagery in the video (even as its apparently taken from a longer film), his videos have been embarrassing for ages now
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
the melody sounds like something adam levine would sing
― Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 29 September 2017 23:14 (six years ago) link
He opened all the In Plainsong shows last year with a new song called "Cardinal Rule." I wonder if that's on here under a different title or if it was scrapped/relegated to a b-side. Good song.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:03 (six years ago) link
i'm listening to this. it's
1. not very embarrassing at all!2. occasionally inspired! ("mandarynne" reminds me of "once in a while" a lot and probably for that reason i think it's the best song here)3. still v weird and imbalanced in mixing, mastering, arrangement, etc. 4. lyrically unforgivable
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link
it's sort of what i expected the never-recorded chicago songs album to sound like with slightly hookier songs
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 October 2017 18:14 (six years ago) link
So yeah, make that 2 good albums in 17 years.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Sunday, 26 November 2017 20:39 (six years ago) link
i told you!!!
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 26 November 2017 21:30 (six years ago) link
hearing reports that the full title was (I Am The Last Person in the World to Find Out About) Hollywood Forever Cemetery
― she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:04 (six years ago) link
lmao
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
:D
― Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:33 (six years ago) link
Processional is beautiful, these lines & their melody hit me hard:
And stake your heart on mineto places, other timesIt's a long way, it's a long wayto get back home
― flappy bird, Sunday, 26 November 2017 22:56 (six years ago) link
i told you!!!― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:30 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Sunday, November 26, 2017 9:30 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yes, but you have a tendency to like everything and flappy is a massive superfan Corgan apologist, so it was pretty hard to gauge whether this albun was going to be any good based on the fact that the pair of you liked it, fwiw. I'm glad I could summon up enough enthusiasm to check it out myself.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 27 November 2017 03:31 (six years ago) link
*album
This will probably lead me to binge listen to the discography again.
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 27 November 2017 03:32 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hs9GSGR1XHA
― flappy bird, Monday, 27 November 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link
ok then enjoy music on your own shithead!
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 27 November 2017 05:46 (six years ago) link
Processional is beautiful, these lines & their melody hit me hard:And stake your heart on mineto places, other timesIt's a long way, it's a long wayto get back home― flappy bird, Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― flappy bird, Sunday, November 26, 2017 10:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Yeah, I completely agree! After a couple more listens, it's a late-period Corgan classic for me now.
Of course, I'm mow on a Pumpkins B-sides kick, of all things...
― Gholdfish Killah (Turrican), Monday, 27 November 2017 06:53 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiFMosotuPo
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 December 2017 00:32 (six years ago) link
only watched a few songs from that, p good so far
not optimistic about the odds of this ever coming out (at least as a double album:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcqDsVZAk_E/
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:29 (six years ago) link
caption reads:
I just finished a few weeks recording in Nashville for the follow-up to Ogilala. So far (the new album) is more stark and tangled. Also looks like it will be a double (16 songs at least)
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link
lol i really hope he puts it out
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:31 (six years ago) link
me too. i will say i was p sure what became Ogilala was shelved before it was announced in August (he recorded it in the summer of 2016... Linda Strawberry posted a picture of him doing vocals and said the album was called The Land of Maybe). i still have reservations about this new one though mostly because he's working with Howard Willing and presumably self-producing again, so there goes the quality control of Rick Rubin. i don't think Ogilala sounds drastically better than any of the post-2000 records, but Billy needs to have someone listen to all of his demos and pick out the gems that he's been throwing away for years now. i don't know what happened to his quality control compass. if not for Rubin "Aeronaut" not only wouldn't have been on the album it probably never would've been recorded. anyway he's still got some good momentum atm and seems like he's in a good place, hope "Cardinal Rule" is on it.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 16 December 2017 02:42 (six years ago) link
this is approaching Chrysanthemum levels of post-SP songwriting for me lately
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AAtElcmYic
― flappy bird, Thursday, 1 November 2018 06:37 (five years ago) link