Artists that have used samplers as a creative compositional tool

dan, i wouldn't worry about it. its all crazytalk.

"But the Amen Break IS chopped; it's a tiny drum break that has been sped up, or slowed down, and recontextualized..."

those are hallmarks of editorials. composition tends to be less dependent on source material. if a song can retain its identity by removing the source material and applying the transformations to something else, that would also be another good test, though it really fails in the case where dr. dre goes out and hires session musicians to recreate the sample because he doesn't want to pay some licensing fee.

where do you get this nonsense

everything is dependent on source material, whether you're composing for brass or a drum machine or on a laptop

"where do you get this nonsense"
probably some lawrence lessig blog

"everything is dependent on source material, whether you're composing for brass or a drum machine or on a laptop"
it's not dependent if you can swap the material without being destructive to the piece. in those cases the samples/instruments/etc are incidental.

define destructive

i'm so confused right now. where is geir, by the way?

destructive meaning the song falls apart. e.g. singing dogs could use any samples of dogs and it would probably still sound like singing dogs. there wasn't a james brown of dogs in there that really made the song shine.

i'm beyond confused now. its like a spiral of confusion. the dogs really lost me.

i dunno if singing dogs is a good example though, since it's really jingle bells. (though jingle bells remains jingle bells whether it's brass horns or dogs singing it)

So when Elisabeth Esselink creates her Solex record from chopped up bits of albums she been unable to sell in her store, what is that? Just "looping sections of music just to sing over?" A creative compositional tool? Editorial? She could swap the drum break she found for this song with the Amen drum break, and then what? I can't follow this at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pE8dLFCNfyA&feature=relmfu

i'd argue though, that the fact that the singing dogs author chose jingle bells was also incidental. it would have worked just as well if he chose "we wish you a merry bark-mas"

what if I sample a brass horn imitating a dog singing jingle bells

over the Funky Drummer break

f f f f f f f f f funky
drummer

re: solex, if solex doesn't care where the samples come from, if they are in fact chosen by random process, then it's totally compositional.

you have a lot of rules

Original poster long gone I see lol

this thread gets the
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amen

can mods change the thread title to "Nunez on Composition"?

if you care where the elements of your composition come from, then it isn't a composition. got it. i learn something new every day.

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lol hurting

Nunez is on some platonic/geirbot shit here

"if you care where the elements of your composition come from, then it isn't a composition."
you can still care, like if you made a recipe for a cake, you'd probably want some really nice, locally sourced samples for the ingredients, but the cake should still work with supermarket grocery samples.

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i think a bunch of rap guys did this already

like if you made a recipe for a cake, you'd probably want some really nice, locally sourced samples for the ingredients, but the cake should still work with supermarket grocery samples.

you have never baked a cake and I claim my $5

I think a bunch of posters said that already

does cornbread count?

xpost
i think you're a buttface already

so to extend the baking metaphor, hip-hop is like a cake made out of cookie crisp or something. The little cookies are already baked!

btw jiffy still tastes pretty good next to the scratch-built cornbreads. just sayin.

orig poster wld have been better off leaving 'compositional' out of it altogether and saying 'Artists that have used samplers as an interesting tool in a non-groove-oriented way' or something.

or something indeed.

"hip-hop is like a cake made out of cookie crisp or something."

cookie crisp cake sounds amazing!
but dr dre would pay krusteaz to make generic cookie crisp to avoid paying the cookie crisp corporation $...

also he would market bass-heavy, overpriced spoons to eat this cake with.

EATS by Dr. Dre

you're not going to endear your way out of this one with humor

xp Or just "Nerdy white people that have used samplers"

humor won't save you now. we want to hear more about the wonders of musical composition.

haha x-post

i, for one, would like to know more about how editing isn't an element of composition.

not really editing so much as editorializing. are you recomposing a cake, or arranging it in such a way as to proclaim, "damn i really like this cake! A+"

have you ever actually listened to Fuck Tha Police or All in the Same Gang or or or I can't even

at least w/r/t to the 1000s of samples P.E. layered to oblivion, that seems pretty solidly compositional. you don't agree?

I get the impression no one subscribes to your arbitrary distinction between editing and composing

I mean the Bomb Squad's method of "composing" was to put five guys in a room, each on a different sampler/instrument, and then have them "edit" their parts together live

if only we could get back to talking about sampling and birdsong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rKjOR-4964

i'm not sure what you're saying -- that the fact that they do it live doesn't make it compositional? i don't think that's necessarily true.

S- isn't going to come back is he? He just dropped this turd on us and ran away.