Doctor Who: Classic or Dud?

Ms. Gillan has joined Twitter as of today and already has almost 20,000 followers, all of whom are posters here posting under numerous bots. She currently follows six people, including two Spice Girls.

The chap in that Mail story NZA posted is neither heterosexual nor a gentleman

Doctor Who Online have put out a THREE HOUR interview with Ian Levine. I'm slowly slogging through it on commutes, it's ridiculous and rambling and there are big chunks where I just don't know what he's talking about, but it's pretty great overall. He talks a lot about how close the BBC came to wiping a LOT more of the old episodes than they actually did, and while I'm sure he plays up his own role in stopping that, it's still amazing stuff. Eps 256/257 here.

I've been an apologist for Ian to an extent in the past, but his latest shit with Lawrence Miles (also, more or less, a dick) has tipped me over the edge with him. I can't defend him any more.

But because of the stuff with Lawrence I'm not talking about him at all, and certainly not speculating on his part in things.

wait, what's the latest shit with Miles

I could google but I am trying to make you renege on yr stance, lol

Lawrence put up a post on his blog in light of Ian's sudden love of NuWho as the best thing ever, featuring a graph which compared the popularity of The Daleks/The Mutants/Serial B with the popularity of Ian over the decades. Ian is trying to sue him over it and has been offering people money on Twitter to hand over Lawrence's home address/phone number etc.

omg just read the Miles post, cannot stop lolling

why do I love all of these dickish British SF types (see also Warren Ellis) so much

that week when levine publicly cracked the shits at eccleston for ruining who by quitting was delightful

Google's Doctor Who 50th Anniversary doodle game: https://www.google.co.nz/

Since this isn't about the Capaldi era, I thought I'd repost it on a more general Who thread

I'm trying to work out when the Tardis expanded beyond being depicted as just the control/console room, at some point it gained a multiple of rooms which are apparently almost infinite. I've just watched the Liz Shaw and Jo Grant eras of the Jon Pertwee incarnation through and the rest of the interior doesn't seem to appear. There may be some reference to him having a lab inside in the first story past the regeneration, but the Master is trying to keep the key from him so you don't get to see inside for several stories. There is no explanation as to where his wardrobe is coming from after his initial theft of items from a hospital changing room. He gets to the end of the first story then realises he's still wearing that clothing and has to return it but is still wearing it at the beginning of the next story. But yet he appears with various variations on the dress shirt, smoking jacket and Inverness cape throughout his tenure. At some point it became lore that UNIT replaced the first load of clothing with identical togs but I didn't hear any mention of such in the series.
I think Baker starts his tenure by going through the Tardis's wardrobe. Is that the first mention of an expanded interior or have corners been cut in depictions in the Pertwee era?

I've just watched Planet of The Daleks in which they appear to have nothing beyond the console room. Jo drags out a camp/cupboard folding bed from a bedroom unit of chest of Drawers/wardrobe when the Doctor collapses and has to cover him with his own Inverness cape instead of taking him to his sleeping quarters. Oddly at the time she has just managed to change clothing without explaining where she got the new clothing. (I do like that jacket she changes into, looks like a cross between burberry tartan and a collarless bike jacket or something.)
In the Third incarnation right up until the end of The Three Doctors the Doctor is pretty much stranded on earth with limited usage of the Tardis which might explain an absence of any depth of population of the space with rooms etc
So I'm wondering if the other rooms had appeared in any stories from the first couple of Doctors , not having watched either of the incarnations through remotely recently.
So anybody know of any earlier references to rooms inside or were the contents always depicted as the console/control room anytime the inside of the TARDIS appeared?
Always wondered where the Doctor was supposed to sleep/live outside of his depicted adventures. Now he has a multiple of rooms on a multiple of floors.

I've got vague memories of sleeping quarters being mentioned in some Hartnell serial or other, but they may be false.

I remember corridors in "The Edge of Destruction" (the third ever serial of the Hartnell era), which presumably led to other rooms.

Edge of Destruction is a cool little story.

That story is actually titled "Inside The Spaceship," and does indeed go to a couple of rooms further inside the spaceship.

Sean Pertwee as his dad:

http://instagram.com/p/u1J6-juOHD/

Seen this from so many places, great every time.

Drama (freeview channel 20) is showing The Aztecs tomorrow from 16:00 - 18:00. followed by An Adventure in Space & Time (recent bbc2 drama).

Doctor Who: The Aztecs on November 2nd
Doctor Who: Tomb of the Cybermen on November 9th
Doctor Who: Spearhead From Space on November 16th
Doctor Who: (TBD)
Doctor Who: Earthshock
Doctor Who: Vengeance on Varos

http://drama.uktv.co.uk/shows/doctor-who/episodes/

Have there been many recent updates of recreation of either Hartnell or Troughton missing episodes?
I downloaded complete era episode sets for both in I think 2009 and content may be much older. That is to say where people have combined the audio which a number of people taped at time of broadcast with stills and some production footage.
I have a number of stories in pretty rough versions so subsequently wonder if better versions have been made since.
I need to get copies of the stories found in Nigeria in the interim. I know they got all of Enemy of the World where Troughton plays 2 roles. Did they get all of Web of Fear too? Yetis on the Underground in other words.

Think 1 episode of Web of Fear is sill missing.

Watched Enemy of the World recently; fun, but hardly a classic.

Yes, there's a telesnap recon of Web ep 3 made for the release.

And I disagree hugely on Enemy, it's incredible, which I will expand on if I spot this thread on not-phone later.

Troughton absolutely killed it in Enemy of the World.

Yeah he is amazing in it.

He's pretty good in most of his era. Shame so little remains.
So would love it if more restoration was done. Wonder what could be done with more current technology than the film stills illustrating surviving audio that was done whenever that was done - 10 or 20 years ago? I noticed that some animation touches had been applied like moving radar etc screens or views through windows and similar.
So wonder what else is possible.
There are a number of places that could do with sharpening of sound and picture at least compared to what I just rewatched and got around 2009.
So is anybody aware of more recent reconstruction or did that stop with official release of dvd versions?
I read something about some of The Invasion having been animated which isn't in the version I have.
Also saw some cartoon footage with Troughton's version of the doctor. I think that may have been reconstruction related rather than independent from that.

On DVD Marco Polo appeared on The Beginning as a quickie recon, cut down to half an hour or so. Reign of Terror and Tenth Planet were completed with animation (also a clips and telesnaps version of Tenth Planet). There's also a very brief run through Galaxy 4.

Moonbase, Ice Warriors, Web and Invasion all completed with animation and/or telesnaps and an animated Underwater Menace has been prepped and was waiting a release slot.

2:E have maintained that they won't animate anything with <50% footage, which means that's yer whack (pending Omnirumour). There hasn't been any Loose Canon work in quite some time apart from a couple of re-soundtracked titles.

On the Omnirumour, it's now fairly widely held that Ph1ll1p M0rr1s is a hoarder IF there was any truth in MEW (which may well have been indirectly confirmed by someone here-ish who would know).

Thanks for that. Will look for them & keep hoping for further development.

My copy of The Invasion has animated sequences. Bbcdvd1829, episodes 1 and 4

2:E have maintained that they won't animate anything with <50% footage

also Dan Hall, who comissioned the animations, is gone and 2:E cancelled the still-in-progress ones. (or one? might have just been Underwater Menace)

On the Omnirumour, it's now fairly widely held that Ph1ll1p M0rr1s is a hoarder IF there was any truth in MEW (which may well have been indirectly confirmed by someone here-ish who would know).

I have absolutely no idea what any of this means. /civilian

There's a renowned guy who may have found some lost episodes and is keeping them to himself for the time being to maximize his finacial gain (I think that's what it means).

Basically:

The guy who found Web of Fear and Enemy of the World was also rumoured to have found a MASSIVE number of other missing stories (up to 90). The story of the haul seemed to combine a number of vague stories about finds and since it put them all together became known as the Omnirumour. A VERY large number of well-connected people saw bits of evidence that, when collected, gave real weight to it. The first three of these to have been prepped for release were alleged to have been Marco Polo, Enemy of the World and Web of Fear (MEW) and someone on this very board who may have been 'need to know' made loose confirmatory noises.

Since then the BBC have cancelled more than one event where Marco Polo and/or some other titles were due to be announced. A twitter fight broke out between the finder (Ph1ll1p M0rr1s) and other great finder/professional irritant I4n L3v1n3. Over the course of the months of arguing, M0rr1s has all but confirmed he has more titles (maybe not as big as the Omnirumour says, but sizeable nonetheless) but has given the BBC several opportunities to pay him billions of ££££££££££££ and now is keeping them.

NB the number of caveats and maybes in the above text.

Alternatively, M0rris is running an archival discovery and restoration business, still visits and has operatives searching in dangerous and war-torn locations, and is perfectly within his rights not to publicly announce every aspect of his ongoing affairs to loathsomely entitled people shouting abuse on Twitter.

Yes, that too.

Delicious. Thanks aldo, chap, and sic!

morris is barely intelligible in his write ups (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/09/01/philip-morris-vs-steven-moffat-on-doctor-who-goes-public-and-will-anthony-horowitz-take-over-the-show/) and if he was making demands such as "moffatt needs to leave the show" etc, then he's misguided at best.

Social media is a very poor environment for Mr Morris, let's say.

Wow, wonder what's been found. Hope it does get the remastering treatment.
Really hope there is more Troughton to come.
I didn't watch through all the photo reconstruction Hartnells this time round so do hope that some of those appear. The long daleks one would be great but Marco Polo might be cool.
Do wonder what budget there is available for old Dr Who. Is it bound to return on dvd sales or online rentals?

It's widely held that The Feast of Steven can never be recovered as it wasn't sold to foreign territories so the junked BBC copy was the only one. This means Dalek Master Plan can't be completed no matter what else is found.

The iTunes release of Enemy and Web undoubtedly shows a push I to the digital market, but then the sales of those two DVDs are record breakers. This is most likely down to them being available for the first time and the need to own/collect, but they certainly bucked the trend as The Moonbase sales were dreadful. Dan Hall said before Pup Ltd lost the BBCWW contract that sales were dropping year on year and there was barely enough profit in extras-packed releases and/or animations to make them viable any more which is why they capped them at titles with the majority of episodes remaining.

I'd been wondering why the DVD editions of Enemy and Web were so light on extras compared to pretty much every other Who DVD (I'd assumed it was some kind of contractual thing with the guy who uncovered them)

Rush-release must have been part of it as well, to ride the wave of anniversary.

Most/all of the people associated with the PUp Ltd era releases, including the Restoration Team (confirmed by St3v3 R0b3rts), were told their services wouldn't be required in the future which, for example, is why the cover format is different on Enemy and Web. It's all but confirmed there's an Underwater Menace ready to go that they completed before being cut off and less strong rumours there are 'proper' release of Enemy and Web in work that BBCWW 'might' buy.

http://doctorwhopenguin.tumblr.com/

They're fantastic!

enjoying the Horror Channel's all-over-the-place run at old-Who. I've always felt a bit paralysed by choice when wanting to watch it, so I enjoy opening the tivo every few days and having the decision made for me. Logopolis, Kinda, Tomb of the Cybermen, Masque of Mandragora, Androids of Tara, Keeper of Traken. Ambient background for cooking or late-evening kitchen tidying.

Nearly all of the commentaries for the classic Who DVDs were recorded at my old workplace. It was so cool to walk into the reception and see Phillip Hinchcliffe, William Russell or Terrance Dicks.

Hey guys, maybe one of you would be able to help me identify what I think was a Doctor Who episode I saw when I was a child. I don't have much to go on. All I remember is some people in an underground cave or mine. They get shot with some kind of ray gun and we are left looking at their melted remains, basically a pile of molten, bubbling, nacho cheese mess on the floor. I could be wrong about the cave, but if there weren't people reduced to a melted puddle on the floor, then I must be thinking about a different tv show. Just watched Caves of Androzani. Had the mines. Didn't have melting.

I watched it in the early 1980s, so it's likely that it would have been Peter Davison but who knows, it could have been a rerun of an earlier episode.

I'm pretty sure that is part one of 'Earthshock'

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x24fk0d_doctor-who-earthshock-1-4_shortfilms

if I remember right the following three parts don't feature people being melted with ray guns but do feature Beryl Reid playing an ass-kicking gun-toting starship captain

That's it! Thank you.

That story rules once you resign yourself to the fact that someone thought endless shots of six Cybermen marching down a corridor would be menacing

All I remember is some people in an underground cave or mine.

It's a good thing you added other details because this applies to virtually every serial ever.

are there enough people on ilx who would vote in a original series (ie 1963-89) doctor who story ballot poll to make such a thing worthwhile? tbh I'm guessing probably not, and you would most likely get about 7 or 8 ballots, which I don't think would be enough, but I wanted to see what level of interest there is.