being mocked with good natured if clumsy/misapplied affection is worse than being nailed expertly by yr own cynics, but i mean personally the line can be blurry. Again, personally, where it's coming from needn't be such a major factor all the time- general chatter here btw
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:55 (twelve years ago) link
i think you need to see this darragh really, it's ludicrously out of touch.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:57 (twelve years ago) link
withholding judgement until i found out whether they open their set with "Lillibullero"
― red is hungry green is jawless (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:58 (twelve years ago) link
i mean if the clip is half as ugly, stupid, grotesque and embarrassing for one minute as pat shortt's entire, million-making career has been then i'll frankly be impressed
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:58 (twelve years ago) link
it is uglier because they're english... not sure how you don't see this.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
xp yeah fair enough ronan i'll obv need to watch it i'm just blowing shite around it- the usual tbh!
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 10:59 (twelve years ago) link
i know the 'it's because they're english' line and recognise the general gist, i don't think it's either absolute and above question
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:02 (twelve years ago) link
Pat Shortt is a culchie mocking culchies & culchieisms for culchies, and is not to the taste of everyone. Not sure how it's even comparable.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:03 (twelve years ago) link
x-post there's a difference between a person from a race poking fun at known stereotypes amongst his compatriots and a person who isn't a member of the race mocking nothing but obvious signifiers of the race.
i suppose chris rock is racist now too?
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:05 (twelve years ago) link
but just watch it ffs before commenting any further
xp bit more Geldof, no? But it was clearly aimed to be countryfolk I think.― gyac, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:45 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― gyac, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 10:45 AM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Hard to tell given how badly it's done, but it was def some sort of Dub accent. Not going to watch again though.
― You always tell me: "Perhacs Perhacs Perhacs" (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:08 (twelve years ago) link
it's just that modern standard of a British person doing an Irish accent, which does tend to be Dublin now.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:10 (twelve years ago) link
tragically enough, it seems to be an advertisement for a gig in Galway
Mumford and Sons series of 'Gentlemen of the Road Stopover...' shows this summer purposely visit centres off the beaten track of international touring. 'We want to stop off in towns not usually heavily toured by bands, and celebrate the people, food and music that inhabit them,' says the band who promise 'a whole lot of fun'.
― Number None, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:12 (twelve years ago) link
If you look at the Youtube video comments, it was circulated privately 4 days ago with insiders or whoever, none of whom saw a problem. Insular little circles lead to this kind of shit as much as anything.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:15 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, most bands from normal backgrounds would probably have someone to slap the fuck out of them for putting something so stupid together.
― Une semaine de Bunty (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:19 (twelve years ago) link
I volunteer!
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:20 (twelve years ago) link
it is strangely, bizarrely, incredibly unfunny and uninteresting - 2 minutes long and you just want it to stop the whole time.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:20 (twelve years ago) link
eh i've said a few times that i'm more commenting on the irish chip on shoulder and what we'll happily tolerate from millionaire ignoramus shortt vs millionaire ignoramus tory brits as opposed to commenting on the video itself, you shirty fuckin paddy
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:28 (twelve years ago) link
and speaking as a culchie, pat shortt's no fuckin chris rock
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:32 (twelve years ago) link
my "ffs" wasn't shirty, and don't call me paddy, mick.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:38 (twelve years ago) link
o u didn't
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:38 (twelve years ago) link
Again with the false assumption about Pat Shortt - I fucking hate the guy & so do a lot of people. But he's one of us, not some sneering outsider.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:42 (twelve years ago) link
agree that pat shortt is just fucking awful, but our lack of self regard is at best sad, whereas total ignorance from outsiders is a clear cause for annoyance.
x-post yeah it's pretty simple for me.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:43 (twelve years ago) link
The feeling I get when Killinaskully comes on when the boyfriend is over with me is quite similar to how I feel when Jackie Healy-Rae was on BBC news. I cringe.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
Also there's a bit of historical context for the English mocking the Irish. If it were idk the Germans I'd be more likely to laugh back at them.
― You always tell me: "Perhacs Perhacs Perhacs" (seandalai), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:46 (twelve years ago) link
he's not one of me, i don't know who's making the false assumption there tbh
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:47 (twelve years ago) link
you're not Irish?
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:48 (twelve years ago) link
i decidedly am, i'm surely not one of whatever pat shortt encapsulates, tks
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:55 (twelve years ago) link
there's no real argument that can get you around the fact that it's obv worse for someone not of a country/creed/race to mock that country/creed/race
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:57 (twelve years ago) link
well I thought us vs outsiders was perfectly clear but obviously not.
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
I totally get that English people should stay the hell away from doing stupid indefensible nonsense like that video. Reading this thread, I'm wondering if it's specifically the English (which is the word people are using) or whether the offence would be as bad if it were Scots or Welsh people doing it? Just idly wondering, really.
― Tim, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 11:59 (twelve years ago) link
not while i'm a phone!
As i said upthread, yeah, hard and fast rule then fine, grand. But there's degrees of it etc
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:00 (twelve years ago) link
I would find it fairly bad if Scots or Welsh doing it, I just can't see that being the case though. The tone of that video is v specific to English mockery of Ireland and its traditions.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:01 (twelve years ago) link
I think it's not really meant to be mockery - I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland
but they just seem weirdly untalented, unfunny, stupid and boring.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:24 (twelve years ago) link
I have not heard this band and this seems like a good thingthey are often described as Tories, I wonder if this is true?
btw Tory was originally an Irish term, for a C17-18 highway robber I think
those aware of their previous work will know there's nothing weird about that
― aboulia banks (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:25 (twelve years ago) link
I think they think they are being friendly and pro-Ireland
They think so too.
― I'm going to allow this! (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 12:27 (twelve years ago) link
well, it's something
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 13:01 (twelve years ago) link
so wait is that a member of mumford & sons in the video?
it's a better 'irish' accent than kevin spacey's in ordinary decent criminal.
it's not very good. it doesn't really have a point. the cliches aren't even drawn on. d-.
not 'offended' or 'shocked', it's just a bad irish accent with no jokes and no point. it's a bad advert.
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 15:47 (twelve years ago) link
would you like a prize or
― gyac, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:10 (twelve years ago) link
i don't know, i'm not the one competing in 'the disgusted' category tbh
― diafiyhm (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:20 (twelve years ago) link
A lot of that accent sounded like a (bad, obv) impersonation of the Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types. Though there are many shining strands of green shite woven through it, of course.
― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 April 2012 16:52 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.uni-due.de/IERC/index.html
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 13 April 2013 17:36 (eleven years ago) link
idk despite the differences apparent when listened consecutively, i think i could only really parse dublin/non-dublin and ulster, the one from the southeast sounds enough like connaught accents i have heard etc
to actual irish ppl, how many regional accents could you identify? i don't think it has quite the variety of england, which is a dificult comparison due to relative size, but then as someone who has never been to scotland i can still tell glasgow from teuchter or east of scotland
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 13 April 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
How many? I can tell you if a man's father came from bunnacurry or dugort
― privilege as 'me me me' (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 April 2013 17:53 (eleven years ago) link
the variation over tiny distances is pretty remarkable
― bitCOINTELPRO (buzza), Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:02 (eleven years ago) link
maybe so but extreme localization highlights effects and mutations which cannot take place at a more regional level, like if the priest of dugort pronounces a word a certain way and everyone else in the village follows
could you tell a cork accent from a kerry one?
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:03 (eleven years ago) link
Definitely. I'd say the ones highlighted on that map are all fairly distinct. The midlands is a lottery
― Number None, Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:05 (eleven years ago) link
this also made apparent how much middle class dublin accents resemble middle class home counties accents
― Nilmar Honorato da Silva, Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:08 (eleven years ago) link
Cork and kerry lol thats not even a shared language. Carlow can be a little northern sounding, i dont pick up much accent from the south east corner, and the north (six counties) sounds much the same to me. Midlands is a melting pot but there's discernible differences p much in every county for those that know em im sure
― privilege as 'me me me' (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 April 2013 18:10 (eleven years ago) link