the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

they've got a board though

excelsior!

bring back Gabbneb if you want "balance," then. as it is, as long as deej is around there are still doe-eyed Obama groupies around so worry not about me being a grouch.

holier-than-thou white male ilxors

It's precisely when white male voters abstain or vote Romney in sufficient numbers that he could overcome the gender and race gaps and win the election.

once again the fate of the free world rests in the hands of white males!

holier-than-thou ilxors

hey hey my my, liberal bullshit will never die

my my hey hey
it's better to lie down than to post away

out of the Hope and into the bray

hey hey my my, liberal bullshit will never die

wow, a glimmer of self-awareness

Ain't been a liberal since I used the Evil Lessers argument to vote for that pathetic hack Mondale.

i believe you meant haven't, not ain't.

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Well, we natter on about whether this or that is racist here all the time, but perhaps keeping one's political hands lilywhite might even end up having an adverse effect on minorities.

right -- if we don't vote the terrorists win.

heard that at least 80 members of congress are communists so I don't know why you guys are so bummed about the state of US politics

let's be real here - of all the people saying they are likely to abstain, Alfred's Floridian vote is ostensibly the only one that could possibly matter

i hope we remember this when if a newly-reelected Obama conveniently forgets about the Buffett Rule and other nice liberal-sounding campaign utterances or decides it's time to slash Social Security and Medicaid. none of that would have an adverse effect on minorities, you know.

i just assumed that secret public republican alfred was going to vote for reaganomney

(sorry to single you out Alfred, but it really doesn't matter who Morbz or I vote for)

xp

dude obama is going to go hardcore socialist if he gets a second term because he doesn't have a re-election to worry about duh

once again the fate of the free world rests in the hands of white males!

― Mordy, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 3:40 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you're welcome, guys

*lights pipe* *strokes smug boho beard*

the Buffett Rule and other nice liberal-sounding campaign utterances or decides it's time to slash Social Security and Medicaid

are we pretending that Romney would somehow be better/different in these departments

considering that i'm in a semi-flip state, and that i promised to make campaign calls for every ilxor that abstains from voting for obama, morbz should go vote since he'll be giving more votes to obama by not voting.

Alfred's Floridian vote is ostensibly the only one that could possibly matter

I live in one of the state's bluest counties. Despite the loudness of septuagenarian Cubans, I'll be okay should I do the nasty.

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the Buffett Rule and other nice liberal-sounding campaign utterances or decides it's time to slash Social Security and Medicaid

are we pretending that Romney would somehow be better/different in these departments

― Jilly Boel and the Eltones (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, April 18, 2012 5:05 PM (53 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, but that's exactly my point.

oh i forgot that state's electoral votes are distributed based on county results and not on state-wide popular vote

Despite the loudness of septuagenarian Cubans, I'll be okay should I do the nasty.

lol

if Obama wins re-election Ted Nugent will be either dead or in prison by this time next year so if that's not motivation...

is that you reminding yourself, Mordy?

as the only person on this thread who belongs to an ethnic group that actually had federal legislation in this country describing its members as subhuman property and state legislation within the past century specifically aimed at preventing people like me voting, you can all fuck off with this "oh it doesn't matter, I'm not voting" bullshit

I don't even care from the "Obama must win" standpoint; the blind privilege inherent in being politically connected and refusing to vote is enraging.

I never said I wouldn't vote -- I said I may not vote for Obama.

fine, then i'll vote for Mickey Mouse.

I vote in every election and will do so until I die.

it's just that the "President" portion of my ballot may be occupied by a write-in vote for Morbz.

and whatever i do wr2 the Presidential ballot, i still plan to show up & vote for the Congressional candidates. even if i think that the entire Democratic Party is a stinking pile of poo too.

I'm voting for Carl Sagan

In theory, DJP, I agree with you. Just give me someone to vote for. "Refusing to vote" for one of 2 people who will make things worse at different speeds is defensible, especially when by the Democratic voters' standars, no one who will actually stop the slide to oblivion can ever get elected.

and not voting accomplishes what?

well might get some chores done around the house instead, I guess

xp

I dislike the lesser of two evils argument as much as the next guy. I have been spending much of my adult life trying to escape it, even to the point of registering with my local Green party so as not to be a registered Democrat, and Ialways try to work actively for candidates who actually seem attractive, as opposed to less evil.

But there comes a point in most elections where the choices are narrowed down and petulance over this fact doesn't get you anywhere. The choice of failing to vote might seem attractive compared to voting for the lesser of two evils, but in reality it merely ensures your complete irrelevance. Shit, I've even given $$ and done phone banking for the lesser of two evil candidates, because I'd rather be a tiny bit relevant, however infintesimally small that relevance may be, than just pout about things.

well, november 6th is already a scheduled laundry day.

also d4n, you recently posted re Obama/Holder on civil liberties/strip searches that the Administration seems to want to make the entire country know what it feels like to be black. So who is this theoretical damage-control helping in the long run? and how?

in reality it merely ensures your complete irrelevance.

No. The corporate-owned "democratic process" does that.

also, i didn't say that under no circumstances would i vote for Obama again -- i stated that i hold my nose and vote for him if come Election Day the election is too close to call. (i'll also add that i may do so if the Supreme Court rules that the ACA is unconstitutional.)

Aimless, has anyone said he's staying home on Election Day? I will go on voting in county and congressional elections; and in Florida we have at least four other candidates for prez.

i think it makes sense to keep the slightly better party in power just in case somebody comes up with the magical game-changer that will overthrow our corporate overlords. would rather have a slightly sympathetic ear in government.

and before any goes "lol you live in New Jersey you're just posturing!" my home state's blue-statedness is only a recent phenomenon and not etched in stone. look at who our current governor is, after all.

Kathryn Jean Lopez ‏ @kathrynlopez

is barack obama losing catholics?

Louis XVI and Kerensky weren't entirely unsympathetic to the howling masses, either. just sayin'.

in terms of stuff like starting wars, detonating weapons, unbalancing the fragile state of world politics, there's def a better + worse candidate here (even if romney is probably better on this stuff than psychotic mccain). it's not even lesser of two evils. try to keep the guy who wants to drop a nuke on iran out of office.