A new list to rip to shreds: Maxim's 30 Worst Albums of all Time.

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well then, that calls for somebody to link to her pic!

― Kingfish (Kingfish), Thursday, 10 July 2003 20:31 (twenty years ago) link

that was very cool of vice. it's like every once in a while tyler durden slips a dolphins of the forest bio into wire...

eep!
m.

― msp, Thursday, 10 July 2003 21:48 (twenty years ago) link

That last Conor Oberst pic (the b/w one) = SID VICIOUS MEETS BERT

― Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:21 (twenty years ago) link

You cannot shake my Conor love.

― bnw (bnw), Thursday, 10 July 2003 22:54 (twenty years ago) link

http://bothsidesnow.co.uk/bothsides2001/gallery/halloween/conor1.jpg http://magic1053.com/images/sesame/bert.jpg

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:22 (twenty years ago) link

conor hate is way more pathetic than conor love.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:45 (twenty years ago) link

though this only became true in 2002.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:46 (twenty years ago) link

where does conor indifference fit in?

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

I've hated conor ever since that fucker came down to athens stalking mangum

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:47 (twenty years ago) link

conor oberst : jeff mangum :: ed kowalcyzk : michael stipe

― James Blount (James Blount), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:48 (twenty years ago) link

I've hated Conor since that one shit show he put on at Koo's. GRR.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:52 (twenty years ago) link

Conor indifference is dandy. Though I think people love this guy way too much (I think the Desaparecidos album is possible the best album of the decade so far, but that doesn't mean Lifted isn't bloated), he's done enough ambitious, quality work that the haters seem pretty reactionary. Then again, most people seem to be hating him for something he did live, rather than his music.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:54 (twenty years ago) link

besides his self-infatuation is much more rewarding then that guy from Cursive's handwringing.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:56 (twenty years ago) link

Then again, most people seem to be hating him for something he did live, rather than his music.

He did his music live, that's hate enough.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 10 July 2003 23:58 (twenty years ago) link

what about his show pissed you off so much? and when was it? As I said earlier, it wasn't until 2002 that his music got REALLY good.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:01 (twenty years ago) link

It was before 2002, so if you can explain to me how all of a sudden he got good...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:02 (twenty years ago) link

artists improve, Ned. Though I'm sure he might still be insufferable live for all I know.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:03 (twenty years ago) link

Doubtless. In any event, they may improve, but given the combination of 1) all the other things I'd rather listen to when otherwise 2) not listening to music and loving the silence instead, I'm content to let Conor hone his craft and become special as much as he likes without me caring.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

he had one hit I sorta liked - "A Perfect Sonnet", which was alright in a John Hughes love anthem way, although even it got tired after hearing it on the radio for the nine millionth time. Pretty much personifies everything wrong with indie rock in 2002-3, ie. indierock got to choose between Saddle Creek and DFA and they chose Saddle Creek (see also: their parents picking James Taylor over Roxy Music).

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:06 (twenty years ago) link

ie. goodbye any chances for an American Madchester, hello more late 90s malaise

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

He ain't Taylor and he ain't Dylan, but for the sake of my argument I'm gonna note somebody can listen to Roxy and Dylan and not necessarily pick sides.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

you'd think!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

but one look at cmj sez 'apparently not'!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

not really my problem, since I can. I don't know what Mr. Oberst means for the "scene," but I'm digging it at home.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:15 (twenty years ago) link

good for you cuz there's plenty more coming! 1998 will never die!

― James Blount (James Blount), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

in fact, Oberst has reminded the scene that lyrics are important (after a decade of Malkmusmatadorishness) and that artistic ambition isn't evil, so go him.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:16 (twenty years ago) link

lyrics are important

MMMMMMMMMMM.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:17 (twenty years ago) link

I didn't realize you'd find the concept so tasty, Ned.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:18 (twenty years ago) link

lyrics may be important, but it helps if they're actually any good

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:20 (twenty years ago) link

besides, the crap stuff in 1998 was all that Thrill Jockey post-rock bullshit.

― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:24 (twenty years ago) link

This last point I will happily agree with Anthony on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:29 (twenty years ago) link

custos, what is your attraction to that TT tag? i find it mildly annoying.

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 00:39 (twenty years ago) link

The teletype tag is beeeeyoootiful. It makes what you're quoting look official, professional, clean and legible.
I have a policy. If I quote something said my an ILM'er I use Italics. If I quote something from "outside" the forum, I use Teletype. I think it's a good policy.

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:39 (twenty years ago) link

i think it looks horrible, but don't let that stop you ;-)

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:43 (twenty years ago) link

Okay. Let's try this instead:
How does this look to everyone?
(the above should look like a standard version of Helvetica.)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 02:52 (twenty years ago) link

it's lovely.

i prefer comic sans though

― electric sound of jim (electricsound), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:01 (twenty years ago) link

eeeeuuuuuwww. Comic Sans always looks shitty regardless of the context. (I have a hundred Comic Book fonts on my system, and every single goddamned one of them is 100x better than Comic Sans.)
Besides, I think teletype might not really be a font, but a monospacing feature...or somesuch nonsense....that modifies a font.
I haven't done any experiments though.
(Heads over to the HTML Playground area)

― Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

hey, i solved it on my end too - by choosing another font preference in my browser. so tt away, sir.

btw my browser overrides your helvetica font also

NOTHING BUT SWEET BEAUTIFUL ARIAL hehe ;-)

also btw my html book says tt stands for 'typewriter text'

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:04 (twenty years ago) link

yes, tt tells your browser to use it's default monospace font

― ron (ron), Friday, 11 July 2003 03:06 (twenty years ago) link

HELLO THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT BRIGHT EYES IT IS ABOUT LOUSY ALBUMS

oh wait

― maura (maura), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:11 (twenty years ago) link

scoobyists are those who pick "scooby albums". a scooby pick is like at the end of a scooby doo episode the evil dude is always revealed as the person so unlikely it HAD to be them. like "metal machine music" is lou's best album is a scoobyist pick. evenmoreso maybe "sally can't dance".

we used to talk about this lots back in the infancy of ilm.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:25 (twenty years ago) link

maura will you marry me

― geeta, Friday, 11 July 2003 04:39 (twenty years ago) link

la la la la la la!!!!

― maura (maura), Friday, 11 July 2003 04:57 (twenty years ago) link

What? Why no Britney. Atleast Deborah Gibson did her own materail and looked cute. Now looks hot!!!

And what about Mandy Moore "So Real", "The Flying Nun" soundtrack, and "Kids Bop".

― John Norton, Sunday, 13 July 2003 01:53 (twenty years ago) link

"at least"

― James Blount (James Blount), Sunday, 13 July 2003 02:02 (twenty years ago) link

four months pass...

― rv, Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:22 (twenty years ago) link

Pearl Jam - Vitalogy ... "I said no foam on that latte, zit-face"

i still like this review.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Thursday, 11 December 2003 00:27 (twenty years ago) link

seven months pass...

Apart from Yoko Ono (who most critics don't even consider as important OR bad) there is no remotely tough target on the entire list. Most of the albums would be rejected offhand by almost every critic.

So much of Maxim's list consists of the most routine targets of the rock critics - Milli Vanilli, Hanson, Air Supply (#10 on Blender's "50 Worst Artists Of All Time"), Ricky Martin, Debbie Gibson, Tiffany. The albums by Dylan, the Stones and R.E.M. date from after they "sold out" or lost relevance.

Many critics really don't see grunge as actually relevent nowadays, so Pearl Jam is no tough target either.

Though he really does not attack tough targets, the intelligent amateur "janitor-x" (see "http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/member-glance/-/A2AXIWOCL9XOMM/ref=cm_aya_ac_longdesc/102-0267016-6736903?see-more-desc=1") does realise how irrelevant people today understand these super-soft targets of Blender and Maxim to be. "janitor-x" believes the idolisation of the 1960s to be quite unrealistic and a betrayal of the roots of rock music. For him, the worst artists ever are U2, the Beatles, the Cure, R.E.M. (all eras), Rage Against The Machine, the Smiths, the Clash and Pavement. His views on music might be seen as rather narrow, but his intellignce betrays popular assumptions about metals fans - for one thing.

― Julien Peter Benney, Monday, 9 August 2004 23:18 (nineteen years ago) link

ya wasted my time Julien Peter Benney, with your **janitor-x** scam.
that guy's a talentless bum.

6 of 27 people found the following review helpful:

gangstagangsta, January 12, 2001
Reviewer: A music fan

I'll say I was impressed with them's collection of songs. Perhaps the best gangsta rap album of 1965 this one must be picked up. the beats are so fat. Its all over now fet. Van Morrison is so phat. peace out ya'll

― The Bells! The Bells!, Tuesday, 10 August 2004 00:20 (nineteen years ago) link

fifteen years pass...

None of these albums are bad.

― billstevejim, Thursday, 22 August 2019 03:46 (four years ago) link

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