European and South-Pacific trendsMany European countries, Australia and New Zealand also experienced a baby boom. In some cases the total fertility rate almost doubled. The American birth model, conceived by demographer Frank Notestein, was punctuated by an end to the upsurge in births and a return to pre-war levels. In many European countries the first year of the Post World War II baby boom was the year 1946, but in Germany the first year was the year 1955 in Finland the largest birth rate was in August and September 1945. Prior to World War II, fertility rates in Europe and America were on a general decline due to improved nutrition and medicine, and a surge in births were previously not experienced at such a large scale. Based on this model, baby boom years for other countries regarded for having a baby boom are as follows:[by whom?][citation needed]Hungary's population pyramid in 1960 with boom generationsFrance 1946–1974United Kingdom 1946–1974Finland 1945–1950Germany 1955-1967Sweden 1946–1952Denmark 1946–1950Netherlands 1946–1972Ireland 1946–1982Hungary 1946-1957Iceland 1946–1969New Zealand 1946–1961Australia 1946–1961In some of these examples, an "echo boom" followed some time after as the offspring of the initial boom gave rise to a second increase, with a baby "bust" in between. The birth years of the baby boom as noted being both short and long lived, creates what many believe to be a myth to the notion of defining baby boomers as one "generation", as a unified concept is clearly not possible. Indeed, multiple generations may be present in a single country such as Ireland where the boom lasted 36 years. This overlapping effect of generations is not illuminated when considering crude fertility rates. The only common ground for the collective boom is the same approximate starting year. This example can be applied to each state in the United States on an individual basis. The states with a census in place in 1946 saw fertility rates drop to pre-war levels throughout the 1960s, with the average being in 1964.
Many European countries, Australia and New Zealand also experienced a baby boom. In some cases the total fertility rate almost doubled. The American birth model, conceived by demographer Frank Notestein, was punctuated by an end to the upsurge in births and a return to pre-war levels. In many European countries the first year of the Post World War II baby boom was the year 1946, but in Germany the first year was the year 1955 in Finland the largest birth rate was in August and September 1945. Prior to World War II, fertility rates in Europe and America were on a general decline due to improved nutrition and medicine, and a surge in births were previously not experienced at such a large scale. Based on this model, baby boom years for other countries regarded for having a baby boom are as follows:[by whom?][citation needed]
Hungary's population pyramid in 1960 with boom generationsFrance 1946–1974United Kingdom 1946–1974Finland 1945–1950Germany 1955-1967Sweden 1946–1952Denmark 1946–1950Netherlands 1946–1972Ireland 1946–1982Hungary 1946-1957Iceland 1946–1969New Zealand 1946–1961Australia 1946–1961In some of these examples, an "echo boom" followed some time after as the offspring of the initial boom gave rise to a second increase, with a baby "bust" in between. The birth years of the baby boom as noted being both short and long lived, creates what many believe to be a myth to the notion of defining baby boomers as one "generation", as a unified concept is clearly not possible. Indeed, multiple generations may be present in a single country such as Ireland where the boom lasted 36 years. This overlapping effect of generations is not illuminated when considering crude fertility rates. The only common ground for the collective boom is the same approximate starting year. This example can be applied to each state in the United States on an individual basis. The states with a census in place in 1946 saw fertility rates drop to pre-war levels throughout the 1960s, with the average being in 1964.
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 01:27 (twelve years ago) link
ppl of my generation cannot relate to all these 'quirky jokes' about hating refrigerators and shit
Mindless facetiousness is definitely a generational marker.
Also, if you uptalk you're Gen X or later.
If you habitually use the vocal fry register you're Gen Y or later.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:27 (twelve years ago) link
i think just different models of mindless facetiousness
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:28 (twelve years ago) link
the greatest generation/silent generation(?)/boomers are almost done screwing me now. it's these young hooses who want to take away all my hard-earned wages to fund oil can boyd.
joke's on them because i have no money to take away
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:33 (twelve years ago) link
actually that's not true re: the boomers
fortunately our american two-party system will show them what's what
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:35 (twelve years ago) link
man my refrigerator joke is universal
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 02:47 (twelve years ago) link
stare into this joke and see the cosmos youngins
Which generation does the guy in LMFAO with the funny red hair belong to? His is the best generation.
― clemenza, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:41 (twelve years ago) link
I really hate the Mexican War generation cept for Lincoln
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:43 (twelve years ago) link
whichever the OG handlebar mustache and pocketwatch generation is = my favorite generation
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:45 (twelve years ago) link
millenials seems the least skeptical of authority of anyone since them who fought in the great wars
I definitely think this is one side of the coin. There is a sizable number of them, for instance, involved in the Occupy movement on the other side of the coin, but these are kids who came of age in Bush II's America and for whom The Patriot Act has been a thing roughly forever (not to mention that No Child Left Behind probably hobbled a lot of critical faculties right out of the gate). A lot of that shit has, unfortunately, become pretty normalized. Like, I'll rant about stuff around my sister like Facebook's disregard for people's privacy, and she just could not give one solitary fuck. Actually, I could probably suss out a lot of the generational divide based on the stuff my sister and I wildly disagree about.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:52 (twelve years ago) link
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:45 AM (7 minutes ago)
this is like the generation that killed loads of people in the third world in the process of stealing their resources whilst failing to realize how much better wristwatches are than pocketwatches
― Ms Tum-Bla-Wi-Tee (nakhchivan), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 03:54 (twelve years ago) link
Like, I'll rant about stuff around my sister like Facebook's disregard for people's privacy, and she just could not give one solitary fuck.
Lack of interest in privacy among the younger generations is a trend that should be lauded. A more open society is a better society.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:05 (twelve years ago) link
Give people a bit of privacy and you don't know what they'll do with it.
― Aimless, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
not a more open society, a 24/7 communal shower society
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:09 (twelve years ago) link
It is a travesty that humans are allowed to bathe alone in any capacity.
― Banaka™ (banaka), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:12 (twelve years ago) link
Somebody get Tombot to weigh in on this
my answer is the boomers, naturally. handed the greatest society yet, and trashed it all.
― Choad of Choad Hall (kingfish), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
banaka, we're working as hard as possible to attain singularity. plz, just a little patience.
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:18 (twelve years ago) link
boomers did okay. i don't think any single 20th century american generation deserves to be called the best or worst, except maybe gen exxors, who don't seem to have accomplished much but general apathy and the digitization of everything.
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:26 (twelve years ago) link
those are 2 p awesome accomplishments tho
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:30 (twelve years ago) link
xp - traitor!
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 04:34 (twelve years ago) link
hey, it's what we do
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:11 (twelve years ago) link
there's probably a douglas copeland book about it
― Choc. Clusterman (contenderizer), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
Yeah, self-loathing is probably as endemic of gen x as self-satisfaction is of the millinnials.
― You Don't Throw Oranges On An Escalator (Deric W. Haircare), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 06:58 (twelve years ago) link
have we ever discussed vocal fry on ilx? i don't see a thread for it..
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:11 (twelve years ago) link
we talked abt it somehwerrreee
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:12 (twelve years ago) link
oh my gawd
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:13 (twelve years ago) link
does lumpy space princess talk with a vocal fry?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:14 (twelve years ago) link
I remember reading about it on here before but I have a feeling it may be lost in a general discussion thread...
― emil.y, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:16 (twelve years ago) link
oh my glob. what the lump?
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:27 (twelve years ago) link
Banaka showing up on a thread like this means I am going to have a great day.
― mh, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:32 (twelve years ago) link
i really love banaka
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:35 (twelve years ago) link
he should post here ray kurzweil's 'the singularity is near' & any other technological singularity-related books you might care about
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:36 (twelve years ago) link
it's a banaka blast
― World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:37 (twelve years ago) link
why DID the Boomers 'stampede into conservatism' as mentioned upthread? my parents are classic Boomers and my mum is classic Boomer-Conservative. i'm always baffled how that happened. is this a known 'thing' in the States?
― piscesx, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:39 (twelve years ago) link
yes. it's partially the neoconservative story too
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:49 (twelve years ago) link
people get older they get conservative ronald reagan blah blah
― lag∞n, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
blah blah david mamet blah blah
― Mordy, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
Esp inasmuch as many of the founding neo-cons were liberals or fellow-travelers who crossed over to the dark side.
xxpost
― L'ennui, cette maladie de tous les (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:50 (twelve years ago) link
they weren't particularly liberal to begin w/
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:52 (twelve years ago) link
contrary to popular belief most 20 somethings were not living on haight st in 1969
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:55 (twelve years ago) link
*audible gasp*
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
mamet writes reviews like he writes dialogue:
"What can one say to the self-proclaimed 'independent' who never has nor ever will vote other than Democratic; or to the wise soul suggesting, of any conflict at all, "the truth must lie somewhere in between"? Mr. Goldberg reminds us that one must stand up and demand of the muddled and supine either an absolute declaration of their principles and acknowledgment of the results of actions having flowed therefrom or a straightforward admission of their intransigence in refusing a concise reply."
(-DAVID MAMET, bestselling author of The Secret Knowledge )
^mamet endorsing the tyrrany of cliches
― a la bouquet marmoset (Austerity Ponies), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 15:59 (twelve years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/3mQdc.png
― iatee, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
xpost needs more swears imo
― Peppermint Patty Hearst (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:00 (twelve years ago) link
vocal fry was discussed in a thread - pretty sure La Lechera started it - could've been on the sandbox though
― sarahell, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:22 (twelve years ago) link
bitter millennial narrative re: reagan revolution is, the boomers had this big revolution where instead of being CONFORMIST DRONES they were going to BREAK FREE and SELF-ACTUALIZE and FIND THEMSELVES, which confused the corporations for about five minutes before they pulled themselves together and were like oh ok that's cool! hey you know a good way to find yourself? buy these sunglasses and vote against regulation. government's the problem!
― their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:50 (twelve years ago) link
do these speech patterns really span a generation or are they more region specific? can anyone give some examples of someone well known that speaks like this?
― Moodles, Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:53 (twelve years ago) link
Iatee's explanation seems most convincing so far.
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link
I had to immediately vote "Greatest Generation" just because, c'mon. Humility is very important to me.
Also, you effing nuked Japan. Assholes.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 16:58 (twelve years ago) link