i think Get Behind Me Satan was pretty from the heart tbh. in fact i think most of jack's stuff is from the heart. its just that jack's got a weird heart.
― It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 07:51 (twelve years ago) link
I don't like thinking about artifice vs "from the heart" as a binary anyway but I think it's especially unhelpful with this record. The whole album is clearly about the emotions following a split with his bandmate and/or his wife, only dressed up in fantastical narratives.
― Get wolves (DL), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 13:03 (twelve years ago) link
he's a fraud cuz that one song sounds like the beginning of 'heart shaped box'
― Poliopolice, Wednesday, 9 May 2012 19:37 (twelve years ago) link
i think that binary is unhelpful with jack in general because he is a uniquely self-aware artist who nevertheless writes from a very wounded and self-involved perspective. every time i've interviewed him i've marveled at how he seems, simultaneously, unaffected and yet playing me as an interviewer. he is sharp as heck. i don't think this album is as 'plainly' about the split from karen/meg as you suggest, but i also think that's a prime motivator. the thing with jack white is, you never quite know when he's cluing you into how john gillis really feels. that's part of his magic, why he's more interesting than, say, the potatoes in the black keys.
― It was you. Miming to Tenacious D. (stevie), Wednesday, 9 May 2012 20:38 (twelve years ago) link
Jack White is not a sexist!
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.paintingmania.com/arts/gustave-caillebotte/large/portrait-man-writing-his-study-151_8902.jpg
"Jack White... not... a... sexist. Got it."
― Mordy, Wednesday, 30 May 2012 21:52 (eleven years ago) link
This was a better response to the Jessica Misener article imo
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2012/apr/27/jack-white-problem-women-laura-barton
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 31 May 2012 08:59 (eleven years ago) link
certainly not since Dylan has an artist played with our perceptions the way that White does
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:10 (eleven years ago) link
Not to mention that White, né Gillis, did something the overwhelming majority of men are too threatened by women to do: he took his wife’s surname.
Where did he take it?
― Mark G, Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:30 (eleven years ago) link
xp Yes well I'm not cosigning every line but I like the gist. I thought Misener's argument relied on cherrypicking, misreading and faulty information.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:30 (eleven years ago) link
I think the article is fine, just pondering JWhite's 'use' of his wife's surname: Where did that happen?
― Mark G, Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:42 (eleven years ago) link
Um, all the time? He calls himself Jack White, after Meg White. Or are you thinking of Karen Elson?
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:52 (eleven years ago) link
Well, yeah I was.
― Mark G, Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:54 (eleven years ago) link
OK, being 'pka' is not the same as actually taking yr wife's surname in marriage.
― Mark G, Thursday, 31 May 2012 09:55 (eleven years ago) link
http://consequenceofsound.net/2013/08/karen-elson-obtains-restraining-order-against-ex-husband-jack-white/
― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, 1 August 2013 23:06 (ten years ago) link
Somehow I missed that they'd even divorced, but this is a pretty gross development. Stop being a creep, Jack White!
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 2 August 2013 01:55 (ten years ago) link
White wanted Elson to contact their kids’ private school in an effort to get their kids out of a class in which another entertainer’s child was present. White said that he feels that entertainer 'ripped off' his music, the order said.
Any guesses as to who that might be?
― Position Position, Friday, 2 August 2013 01:56 (ten years ago) link
Dan Auerbach, I bet.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 2 August 2013 01:57 (ten years ago) link
xpost You don't remember their weird "divorce party?"
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 02:22 (ten years ago) link
I didn't even know who Karen Elson was until he released her album (and then immediately ceased paying further attention).
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 2 August 2013 02:23 (ten years ago) link
The leaked emails are gruesomely fascinating. He really hates the Black Keys.
http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/02/jack-white-wife-karen-elson-black-keys-singer-dan-auerbach-divorce-restraining-order-email/
― Deafening silence (DL), Friday, 2 August 2013 17:35 (ten years ago) link
can you blame him
― tylerw, Friday, 2 August 2013 17:36 (ten years ago) link
Two balding men fighting over a limited edition BluesHammer comb.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 2 August 2013 17:43 (ten years ago) link
funny that jack white is enough of a celeb to be covered in TMZ. i guess he did date renee zelweggz about 20 years ago.
― tylerw, Friday, 2 August 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
The only good thing that could come of this is a a fight between Jack White and the BK's combative drummer, who seems a good match for him.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:13 (ten years ago) link
there's only one way to settle thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27oKgNUfWFI
― tylerw, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:15 (ten years ago) link
Don't blame the guy for hating Black Keys
― waterface, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
I'm too in love with the image of Jack White shooting surly glances at Dan Auerblech as they sit next to each other in those tiny little grade school desk/chair combos on parent-teacher night.
― The Butthurt Locker (cryptosicko), Friday, 2 August 2013 18:16 (ten years ago) link
Those emails don't seem that bad either
― waterface, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:18 (ten years ago) link
― brio, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:19 (ten years ago) link
Man, White is such a passive aggressive dick in those emails. "Karen, this would be so much better if you didn't get lawyers involved and just did what I said. Don't be stupid. Plenty of people deal with divorce and child custody and visitation rights without a lawyer getting involved. Really, when it comes to divorce and kids, handshake deals and verbal agreements seems the obvious way to go."
To his credit, at least he's not complaining about money.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:20 (ten years ago) link
xpost oops - sorry the school image cracks me up too... jack trying to ignore him, wearing some kind of modified matador outfit, dan trying to invite himself over to jam
― brio, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTVG8TezZTWrAfcfdP9zo9NUetoOAxBrKBQ7cJ3Z--c3LzQ3PZU
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Man, White is such a passive aggressive dick in those emails.
Before u judge bro maybe you should read Karen's emails.What? We don't have them?Then don't judge bro
― waterface, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:22 (ten years ago) link
I don't know what she's written, but only ONE of them has filed a restraining order.
― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 2 August 2013 18:33 (ten years ago) link
you know what the right thing to do is? not treat the children's father like shit. their father who sat alone on his birthday, who is currently not painting rocks with his kids from their trip because their mother didn't get any with them for our project.
Poor Jack White and his rocks project. Can we all get together and send some rocks to Jack White?
― Position Position, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:46 (ten years ago) link
the missing rocks for the project is the saddest thing in there - that's some squid & whale-level real divorce tragicomic shit.
― brio, Friday, 2 August 2013 18:50 (ten years ago) link
I felt a little dirty reading those emails, but if those are indeed the ones that got her the restraining order, thats bullshit. Those are not violent in any way. He sounds like every married guy in the world, ever. He should spell-check grubbing, though.
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 2 August 2013 21:53 (ten years ago) link
Alas, the reason people deal with/through lawyers is illustrated perfectly by those (one sided or not) emails.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 2 August 2013 21:58 (ten years ago) link
i can't imagine anyone sounds good in e-mails from a custody battle, but cc'ing your ex in e-mails complaining about how you want a lawyer, and then freaking out over the fact that you might have to spend parent-teacher night in the same vicinity of one of the black keys....yeesh
― da croupier, Friday, 2 August 2013 22:36 (ten years ago) link
e-mails about how she wants a lawyer, i mean
He sounds a bit bratty, but do you get violent or menacing? Did your read that and think "Karen Elson is unsafe"?
― kornrulez6969, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:29 (ten years ago) link
it's almost as if this was decided by legal professionals that are privy to more information than just the e-mails that have been leaked to the public and we don't actually know everything about the situation
― some dude, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:35 (ten years ago) link
no one has mentioned how ironic and sad it is that jack white is complaining about someone ripping his music off?
― Z S, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:39 (ten years ago) link
it's hysterical. white men born in the 1970s fighting over who invented the blues!
― some dude, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:42 (ten years ago) link
i did
― markers, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:44 (ten years ago) link
great job!
― Z S, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:47 (ten years ago) link
ty!
― markers, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:48 (ten years ago) link
seriously. but even if this is the worst of the evidence, if you're calling your ex-wife over and over to swear at her about hiring a lawyer for a custody dispute (as implied in one of the e-mails), i'm all for her getting a restraining order
― da croupier, Friday, 2 August 2013 23:56 (ten years ago) link
i mean a dude who's already plead guilty of assault before, who reportedly spent the time before each show of his last tour deciding whether his all-male or all-female band would get to play with him that night, has been accused of being threatening and controlling during a custody dispute he's trying to keep lawyers out of. it's not a real "HOW????" situation.
― da croupier, Saturday, 3 August 2013 00:11 (ten years ago) link