Television

That's Dave Bowie, you know, he ran a lamp shop on 53rd and AoftheA's...

think they had a quote from Louie Reed on another flyer.

Louie "Louie Louie" Reed?

Dick Lloyd was on fire that night.

hee hee.
btw i've re-upped that television compilation i made featuring, um, dick hell. http://ow.ly/aNKo3 in case anyone didn't get it the first time around.

Was it a minutemen or firehose song where watt says 'dick hell'?

http://www.wikipedia.org/DavidBowie/RegularOlDave

During this exceedlingly brief, little-known period of his career, Bowie gained 20 pounds and began wearing sweatshirts, baseball caps and jeans. He wrote several songs for a planned country-influenced album, "Just a Good Ol' Bowie," none of which he ever recorded.

If I click on that link, will I be rickrolled?

Last '/' should be a '#' I think.

holy SHIT! The Portland 78 show has by far the best version of MM I've ever heard, like a million times better than the studio one, any one, just. WOW.

The Portland show is amazing. Unlike the Waldorf show all of the stuff from Adventure has a real tension as well as intention. Also there are about twenty people in the audience.

MARQUEE MOON - LIVE! http://ow.ly/bj0k4

Thanks for this, anticipating eagerly.

oh cool

is there any comprehensive collection of Television's '70s live repertoire of songs that ended up on neither MM nor Adventure? been reading the 33 1/3 on MM and wow they discarded a lot of songs on the way to making that album.

god there are so many... I think tyler maybe put up a collection on his blog?

just search the "Poor Circulation" boot, there's at least half a dozen on there.

some dude, search doom and gloom from the tomb for the comp "I was hearing, hearing something else": it's a really thorough round up of stuff that influenced them, their contemporaries, and lots and lots of their own stuff that didn't make it onto the records iirc

sweet thx

yeah some dude - here's the richard hell years: http://ow.ly/aNKo3 and here's the post-richard hell years "lost songs": http://doomandgloomfromthetomb.tumblr.com/post/5667774473/kingdom-come-the-lost-television-album-dont-get

evidently Television had quite a young following in Argentina.

weird!

So Lloyd went completely apeshit again: horrible gig, insulting Billy Ficca and his bassist, throwing drinks at Ficca, hitting women and eventually being taken away to a hospital. Wrong meds, or so I heard.
I really wish someone close to him would start caring about this instead of letting himself ruin his livelihood and reputation like this.

eek! yeah, what is up w/ him these days. maybe ficca is looking out for him to some extent -- not like he's going out on the road w/ him for the big bucks, i assume. though if lloyd is throwing drinks at him, that might not last.

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2012/06/12/concert-review-richard-lloyd-at-the-grog-shop

Shortly before taking the stage, Lloyd and Ficca started shouting, appeared to shove each other and then threw their respective drinks at one another. Lloyd walked up to the microphone and pleaded Ficca to still play despite the fight. “You quitting or playing? I want you play. I love you like a brother,” he told Ficca. “Yeah, like Cain loved Abel,” responded Ficca. After a short stand-off, Ficca finally acquiesced, and the band opened with the Lloyd tune “I Thought,” an anxiety-ridden song that bristled a little more than usual. At the song’s conclusion, Lloyd muttered, “I’m so tired of the crap I have to put up with.” While he appeared intoxicated, he maintained that wasn’t the case. “I’m high on life,” he yelled.

Even after delivering spot-on renditions of the Television tracks “Friction” and “Elevation,” Lloyd was still simmering. “I take all the blame,” he said while tuning in front of his amp with his back to his audience. The show was so sparsely attended, however, that even when Lloyd didn’t speak into the microphone, you could still hear what he was saying. He sounded like someone with Tourette Syndrome as he muttered random things about Gamma Rays and DNA tests. Before playing the tune “Monkey,” he said, “monkey see, but monkey don’t do,” alluding to the fact that he wasn’t happy with the performance of his band mates.

ugh, sucks. from people i've talked to, ficca is one of the nicest dudes from that scene, lloyd must really be off the rails.

hitting women

so they gave him the "i abuse women" meds. oops!

It's really hard to keep manic depressives on their meds. They start to really miss the cosmic high of their manic phases.

yeah, it's gotta be the sort of thing where lloyd *knows* he did his best work off of meds (and high as a kite).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNmEq-cP9Oo
don't really understand this but maybe the guitaristos out there can dig it.

what is that distinctive guitar sound on little johnny jewel, very "close up" aurally--it kind of sounds like when i would plug an electric guitar directly into the 4-track...does anyone get what i mean? such a bizarre song...

the "official" version of LJJ I mean

i think that is exactly what it is -- a guitar plugged straight into the recording device. it is a weird sound for sure -- doesn't really sound like anything else, which i gather is what Verlaine was going for.

i love how that solo sounds like it is always falling apart...i always think, i can play something that sounds vaguely like that but it never works. and i actually like the way that the solo sounds almost divorced from the backing track, although maybe that was just poor production? anyway, i am sort of obsessed with LJJ right now!

it's a pretty lo-fi recording and the mix is definitely strange. i heard the blow up version of LJJ first and was kind of taken aback by the single on first listen. love it though.
the feelies did the direct plug-in thing a bit on crazy rhythms too -- don't know if it was because they knew television had done it, but i wouldn't be surprised.

Wild Flag opened its Pitchfork fest set with a dead-on "See No Evil."

That bizarro guitar sound, by the way, barely sounds like an electric. I guess it could be or most likely is, but it almost sounds like a nylon string or something, or even a prepared guitar...

Thanks, all. I never thought it might not even be an electric...interesting!

Regarding the Feelies...in the early days, both live and in the studio, and their music was really fierce. You hear the live bootlegs and the pre Crazy Rhythms studio recordings and they're pretty punk rock. Only when it was time to do the LP did they suddenly decide to be really different and do everything direct I think. I think it was an iconoclastic thing where they wanted to be different from everyone else and not sound like another punk rock band. At the time the LP annoyed some of their fans and associates I think, because it didn't represent how they sounded then, and I think now they even have some regret that they didn't keep working the way they had and capture their sound as it was at the time. Of course many of their fans, myself included, think Crazy Rhythms is one of the best and most unique rock records ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnUHuYIEjAk

My session guy guitar teacher says this, re: the LJJ sound:

"It's as clean as it gets…… Tele into the board direct? 0.0 effects too…Very present and angular… If it's in an amp, the amp is barely even on…………. "

He also noted it was like a template for the Talking Heads guitar sound.

verlaine's original conception for their debut was to just record live at rudy van gelder's studio, playing live like a jazz group. but i guess the rest of the band (and perhaps elektra) nixed that and they and hired the dude who engineered for led zep and the stones. good decision in the long run, i think.

The story the band tells is that Glyn Johns would have a couple of bottles of wine to start out with, then after he inevitably passed out the group produced themselves.

yeah the liners to the rhino re-ish talk about johns coming in, mic-ing the drums and out comes john bonham's drum sound. and the band is like noooooooo. still would be interesting to hear a bonham sound on marquee moon.

re: the feelies, interesting that terry ork managed them in their early days, as he did w/ television. guy had good taste. there are apparently some feelies "ork sessions" from 1977 that remain unreleased. i found something that was labeled "ork sessions" but they seem to be early live recordings, not studio demos.

also, the intro to "loveless love" seems like an extension of johnny jewel's second part.

The story the band tells is that Glyn Johns would have a couple of bottles of wine to start out with, then after he inevitably passed out the group produced themselves.

Except it was Glyn's brother Andy.

Close enough. Point made.

If some home DJ out there could remix a Bonham sound from Television tracks now, that might well be groovy--but back then, not so much a punk-beyond-punk, in-yo-face move like these cosmic epic solo junkies of CBGB's were already known for--as something ridiculously self-inflated, since Zep was seeming a bit overexposed, to put it mildly (I wuz there, and still liked 'em, but like many younger rockheads ready to give all arena dinosaurs a rest, or at least give Television's Dead x VU missing links a shot). Eno said that his duo albums with Fripp were just guitars plugged directly into the board.

Although he might have messed with the mixes later. Isn't Le Noise board-direct, with Lanois adding at least some effects in real time?

The Beatles' "Revolution" is board-direct, with the distortion coming from the levels in the red.