Haha, this is a timely thread revive. I spent a couple hours last night watching JoJo Mayer's dvd: http://youtube.com/watch?v=VLQMFIueUyc
The first disc is real talk, probably the best thing I've seen on grips, basic wrist/finger techniques, moeller, etc.. Then on the second disc he gets into all the push-pull/thumb swivel/crazy fast one-hand stuff, some of which is like science fiction to me. :( But it's good drum geek shit, it made me want to get into more of a definite practice routine. And the little interludes where he's playing beats outside in all these different NYC spots are nice.
― Jordan, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 15:40 (sixteen years ago) link
that dvd is amazing. it's all hands!
― cutty, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link
but please destroy thomas lang and marco minnemann
― cutty, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 15:43 (sixteen years ago) link
^^^^^yes, i got those dudes' dvds on netflix, ugh
― Jordan, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 15:44 (sixteen years ago) link
thomas lang is one soulless motherfucker
at least mm had that funny part where he's playing to simpsons samples
― Jordan, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 15:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Then on the second disc he gets into all the push-pull/thumb swivel/crazy fast one-hand stuff, some of which is like science fiction to me.
Stuff like that quickly turns into chops as an end rather than a means, so I tend to tune it out.
― Hurting 2, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 18:01 (sixteen years ago) link
chops as a means to a pair of leather pants
― Jordan, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 18:09 (sixteen years ago) link
This may have been posted already, but I love this clip of Neil Peart at the Buddy Rich memorial show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bIchqJoxFQ
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 15 November 2007 06:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Somebody should show that to Joe Flaherty.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 12:41 (sixteen years ago) link
yeah, sheila e
http://youtube.com/watch?v=33orc70TAxg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jicJsGCO3WU
― Jordan, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:33 (sixteen years ago) link
Jordan, you didn't even say who else was on that youtube. Do you have that other lady's book?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:37 (sixteen years ago) link
I just watched that with the sound off and imagined what the 'shredder' guy would have done with it.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:43 (sixteen years ago) link
No jam block, no credibility.
re: neil peart, i don't know, i mean dude can play of course but he sounded kinda high school on the chart, and rockish at times on the solo.
― Jordan, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:45 (sixteen years ago) link
no, she has a book?
― Jordan, Thursday, 15 November 2007 18:47 (sixteen years ago) link
The piano player. Rebeca Mauleón. She wrote The Salsa Guidebook for Piano & Ensemble. Check it out.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Thursday, 15 November 2007 19:06 (sixteen years ago) link
Peart does not swing.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 16 November 2007 07:34 (sixteen years ago) link
I don't completely begrudge him for it - there are very few drummers who can both rock and swing - I think it's just the nature of developing the wrist/hand technique for one vs. the other.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 16 November 2007 20:56 (sixteen years ago) link
It's the way you think about music.
― libcrypt, Saturday, 17 November 2007 02:54 (sixteen years ago) link
i mean dude can play of course but he sounded kinda high school on the chart, and rockish at times on the solo.
both OTM
― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:06 (sixteen years ago) link
It's the way you think about music. Yeah, and if you think about jazz and listen to jazz you should probably be able to figure out how to swing a little bit.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Sunday, 18 November 2007 21:48 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.avclub.com/content/interview/fred_armisen_vs_jens
this has lol potential!
― Jordan, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 18:31 (sixteen years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg92KHc_Xw4
― filthy dylan, Monday, 26 November 2007 06:04 (sixteen years ago) link
Ignacio w/ Dizzy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz2qvID9Gs4
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 01:17 (sixteen years ago) link
Ignacio & Airto http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acFeeIpvXew&feature=related
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 01:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Francisco Mela http://youtube.com/watch?v=47m3wWel0Lc
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 02:24 (sixteen years ago) link
Drummer trades fours with vocalist-pretending-to-be-a-drummer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXRppejlsMk
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 02:33 (sixteen years ago) link
El Negro takes a solo while Giovanni Hidalgo has a sip of water http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1KWG7a9ll0&feature=related
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 02:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Richie Flores http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIQI86RiE9s
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 02:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Guy way upthread doing Super Mario Bros music...wtf where is gnarly BOWSER CASTLE MUSIC.
― nickalicious, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link
Cristian Rivera http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Io30ZzM2x4
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 7 December 2007 16:54 (sixteen years ago) link
Ken did you go see Sam Yahel Trio at Jazz Standard? B/C that was how I first heard of Mela, although I didn't actually go to the gig, just watched some Youtube clips.
― Hurting 2, Friday, 7 December 2007 17:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Nice, that last clip made me look up a bunch of sick Conrad Herwig/Brian Lynch shit.
― Jordan, Friday, 7 December 2007 18:08 (sixteen years ago) link
No, Hurting, I don't know from Sam Yahel, I just heard about Francisco M on another list, and then saw he was playing at Cachaça, so I went and checked him out. Maybe you should come with me one Sunday to see Chris Washburne at Smoke one Sunday, which is where I assume that last clip is from.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:19 (sixteen years ago) link
If you're in town, you can come too, Jordan, and compare notes with Chris about being a student of Richard Davis.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:23 (sixteen years ago) link
Still meaning to find a good Patato clip to post. I think there a few with him and Tito Puente, who is in every other clip on this thread.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link
Oh, nice! Wish I could go, but I probably won't be back in NYC for awhile. :(
― Jordan, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:41 (sixteen years ago) link
It's every Sunday. They'll probably be playing next time you are around. .
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Friday, 7 December 2007 19:47 (sixteen years ago) link
That Steve Gadd/Giovanni Hidalgo clip...the hands and feet thing...so wonderful.
― nickalicious, Friday, 7 December 2007 20:32 (sixteen years ago) link
Got a gig in New Haven Sunday night. Ivy League poon.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 8 December 2007 01:31 (sixteen years ago) link
Are you quoting one of your bandmates in an attempt to sound more like one of the boys?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 8 December 2007 03:34 (sixteen years ago) link
Ha, in a sense. "Ivy League poon" is in fact a running band joke.
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 8 December 2007 06:22 (sixteen years ago) link
Now that I think of it, last time I saw Cristian Rivera and Chris Washburne they were playing with the Bobby Sanabria Big Band that Haikunym is always raving about on the salsa thread on the other board. Bobby gave Cristian the nod to take a solo and he was on fire. He kept on soloing and looking over at Bobby as if to say, "I'm in the groove, boss, I ain't gonna stop until you tell me the stop." Finally Bobby gave the signal and the rest of the band kicked back in.
This other guy in the next clip I happened to see the other day and I wasn't too into it. His band wasn't really locking in, and his own playing was kind of wanky. But see for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe15md7VFQQ. I wanted to stop around minute seven.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 December 2007 00:09 (sixteen years ago) link
OK, I found a pretty good video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-_r1EvJ6q4&feature=related with the late, great Patato featuring Nicky Marrero on timbales.
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Monday, 10 December 2007 00:30 (sixteen years ago) link
To continue w/the latin theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_34oDF6ZIs
― Jordan, Monday, 10 December 2007 05:14 (sixteen years ago) link
(Jim Branly, sent to me by a friend)
Frankie Dunlop - maybe my favorite overlooked drummer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbXK-Q1jsy0&feature=related
Such feel, such a sound, such fluidity of playing
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 15 December 2007 04:13 (sixteen years ago) link
More:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgJ1XAm1UNs&feature=related
― Hurting 2, Saturday, 15 December 2007 04:17 (sixteen years ago) link
More?
― James Redd and the Blecchs, Saturday, 26 January 2008 13:22 (sixteen years ago) link
female drummers on the loose! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IbWsJTnXuU
aaron spears (usher's drummer): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCtiuGR-p44
― Jordan, Saturday, 26 January 2008 18:50 (sixteen years ago) link
ok! i have found them really helpful as someone who is mostly self-taught. they just did a "guess a drummer from their isolated drumtrack" thing and it was sooo fun
― ivy., Monday, 23 October 2023 02:22 (six months ago) link
Also check his Dua Lipa play through. Total charmer, that Chad Smith.
― The Chronic Argo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 October 2023 02:58 (six months ago) link
These Chad Smith videos were awesome, made my day, thanks. I tend to agree with Jordan, although I might have said Flea was the only one I’ll really take, at least until today.
― The Chronic Argo (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 23 October 2023 03:00 (six months ago) link
other drummers probably disagree but anytime I can play 4 on the floor I am doing that, it is the best thing to do with a bass drum
― Florin Cuchares, Monday, 23 October 2023 03:04 (six months ago) link
Ugh this guy is ridiculous. I've seen his videos but it's actually more impressive when he breaks it down. Nothing more humbling that keeping a simple ostinato going with the feet, see how much of your shit you can play then!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STE5ro6w2FU
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Thursday, 7 December 2023 17:16 (four months ago) link
Sam isolated "Obstacle 1" snip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4yIuBpqE-Y
Always liked the syncopated 16th note bass drum fills (~14s-->), straight out of Bonham's "Kashmir" breakdown.
― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Thursday, 7 December 2023 18:56 (four months ago) link
Jimmy Chamberlin crushing some straight ahead https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0m6FKFuIVy/
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 18 December 2023 02:54 (four months ago) link
That was awesome, thanks!
― The Glittering Worldbuilders (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 24 December 2023 22:10 (four months ago) link
Smoke from Rare Essence going off on the congas
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C35hCiBM70Y/?igsh=MWJ1ZGkzbWJpOGM4eQ==
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 29 February 2024 21:06 (one month ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8unEVgBji0
Walter Perkins playing the melody on a bendy ride cymbal @ 3:55
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 5 April 2024 02:51 (two weeks ago) link
incredible
that's some of the earliest extended technique i've come across (but I'm no expert)
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:47 (one week ago) link
I guess it depends how you define that. Papa Jo Jones used to play with his hands and fingers and alter the drum pitch by pressing the head.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:14 (one week ago) link
Only tangentially related but last week Greg saunier ended the deerhoof set by playing with his hands for the last 5 minutes or so. It looked very painful - he was thwapping the crap out of the kit
― z_tbd, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:33 (one week ago) link
If I had to guess, what we call extended technique today is probably as old as the original vaudeville trap kits.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:04 (one week ago) link
Yeah agreed, it was just deployed in more of a show biz entertainment capacity rather than serious free music sounds. Watching the likes of Papa Jo Jones & Sonny Payne it feels very playful and not beholden to the conventions of the drum kit (which is a truly ridiculous instrument anyway).
― Jordan s/t (Jordan), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:25 (one week ago) link
One of the purposes of the drum kit was to do live sound fx, so that called for all kinds of stuff beyond what we think of as standard playing today
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:39 (one week ago) link