I liked the Silverchair track then and it's listenable now but the lyrics are truly WTF...
There's no bathroom and there is no sinkThe water out of the tap is very hard to drink
Very hard to drink,You gonna wait too, fat boy,Fat boy, wait til tomorrow
??
― skip, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:03 (eleven years ago) link
LOL xpost
How can you drink water from the tap if there's no sink? The hose in front of the house?
― LimbsKing, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:04 (eleven years ago) link
australia really stuck by those dudes
― da croupier, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
Hold Me Thrill Me... is the best song here by a fair distance, it pains me to admit (usually a hardcore U2 hater, but that's quite a goodun)
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link
five albums over 12 years, all number #1s and all going 3-9 times platinum. i remember catching some later video and being blown away when i found out it was silverchair and not, like, razorlight or something
― da croupier, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:09 (eleven years ago) link
i call bs on hold me thrill me and suspect there's just a lingering attachment to how hyped it was being part of the batman circus
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:14 (eleven years ago) link
No, I think it's a decent melodramatic pop number.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:16 (eleven years ago) link
Everything else here is turgid, TBH.
― I wish to incorporate disco into my small business (chap), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link
kinda bummed i'm not hearing more "good" praise
― da croupier, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link
It was pretty easy to learn on the bass, I'll give it that.
― pplains, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:21 (eleven years ago) link
nah i expect it re: bte BUT KNOW BETTER
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
I can't imagine anyone feeling lingering fondness for the marketing campaign behind Joel Schumacher's Batman. When I hear Hold Me Thrill Me now I think of it as a great lost Zooropa single. I don't think of Val Kilmer and smile.
― Get wolves (DL), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
"tomorrow" is sunk by some of the worst lyrics in post-grunge
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:25 (eleven years ago) link
I don't think of Val Kilmer and smile.
Who does?
― Mark G, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:28 (eleven years ago) link
i smile when i think of fat val kilmer
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
i was saying anyone goes back to remembering batman via the song but overall it definitely had extra hype around it due to the batman thing and that hype, not batman itself, is obvi lingering and clouding judgement here
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:31 (eleven years ago) link
I smile when I think of Val Kilmer in the Island of Dr Moreau.
― Arvo Pärt Chimp (Neil S), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link
there are plenty of U2 songs i dig but not this POS
vote Alanis obv
― Cyders from Mars (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 24 May 2012 14:44 (eleven years ago) link
i vividly remember an MTV News segment about Silverchair in which the fact that Mark Pellington of "Jeremy" fame directed the "Tomorrow" video figured heavily in building up the band's grunge cred, and Kurt Loder talked about Pellington over the part of the video with the pigface guy and while Daniel Johns shrieked "FAT BOYEEE, FAT BOYEEE!" so now in my mind poor Mark Pellington = pigfaced fat boy
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:03 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I was pretty entranced with Batman Forever's marketing. It's why I joined the Seal fan club and have all four McDonald's glasses in a bulletproof case.
Or, maybe, I enjoy "Hold Me, Thrill Me..." because it was the last really good U2 song and not so much because of its connection to a movie from fifteen+ years ago that I barely remember. HMMMMMM
― Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:22 (eleven years ago) link
I WASN'T. WASN'T.
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:23 (eleven years ago) link
besides the point it's still a wack song
"Hold Me" placed at #30 in the U2 tracks poll, only later songs that placed higher were "Beautiful Day" and "Miss Sarajevo" (which of course came out the same year and wasn't technically a U2 song), so "last really good U2 song" isn't too controversal an assertion really
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Silverchair did some aging, holy crap
1995: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_K5ADcrHFv74/S11xjepXAVI/AAAAAAAAD8s/BFAjMUXj3Ow/s320/silverchair2.jpg
Now: http://assets.rollingstone.com/assets/images/artists/304x304/silverchair.jpg
I was expecting something more along the lines of Hanson... http://www.billboard.com/photos/artist/178836-hanson.jpg
― skip, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:33 (eleven years ago) link
Ewwww
― Look at how funky he is! (jer.fairall), Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:34 (eleven years ago) link
wow diplo is now the lead singer of silverchair
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah, I forgot the Passengers album came out this year, too. Well, collectively, '95 was the last year U2 put out anything I really liked (although I tried hard to convince myself re: Pop).
― Quiet Desperation, LLC (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, 24 May 2012 15:41 (eleven years ago) link
I don't really see anything technically weak about "You Oughta Know". I can appreciate why it's a well-crafted song. I just always take the guy's side when I hear it.
ok because I think you rule I dialed up this video on YouTube and it took literally 15 seconds before she said "I'm...hah...pee for you" which is just depressingly bad phrasing & before I could even finish registering my outrage she'd put the emphasis on the 2nd syllable of "baby." what a truly terrible singer, it's not like she's unique in this - the nineties was kind of the death of phrasing, but she's a shining example of how far you can go without knowing what really are the basics
also does she say "deny me of the cross I bear" or "deny me, oh, the cross I bear," that's terrible too either way
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
I've always felt sorry for the guy too. What'd he do to deserve such grotesque diction spit at him?
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:23 (eleven years ago) link
fucked a teenager and then left her for someone his own age? "an older version of me" is a pretty striking reversal of the way this kind of thing usually plays out.
― how's life, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
dude, you oughta know.
― pplains, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
a friend of my wife used to ponder what the "cross-eyed bear that you gave to me" line was abuot
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:29 (eleven years ago) link
http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/imagebuzz/web03/2010/12/7/9/alanis-morissettes-cross-eyed-bear-7410-1291733575-7.jpg
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
<3 my mom used to asset that the old hymn was really a lovely children's song called "Gladly, the Cross-Eyed Bear"
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
is that really what she says, though - "it's not fair to deny me of the cross I bear"? thought I was done seething with hatred for Alanis years ago but Jesus fuckin Christ the absolute barrel-bottom most simpering weak-ass shitty-intonation navel-gazing funk-free smug-joke '95 post-Athens electric indie rock is better than that
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
i never paid attention to the lyrics because the sound was bad enough and you're all just ruining it more for me
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
Ha, OK, I do remember the odd pronunciation of "baby" and happy". (And yeah, I think it's "It's not fair to deny me of the cross I bear that you gave to me", which is pretty ridiculous when I think about it.)
2xposts
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
alanis/courtney love/jewel/etc really did ruin singing for a whole generation of white women
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
let me take a moment to talk about how you are 100% wrong here
The whole point of the first four lines is to communicate barely controlled, unhinged rage, which is why they start out clipped, staccato quarter notes with weird accents on the wrong syllables of the words. Once the words start flowing on the eighth notes, you notice the important syllable of each line is on the first whole step down, which is also gets a stress in the vocal line. Then, the dam really starts to burst in the pre-chorus with the muttered, rushed-sounding 16th notes tumbling over each other that open up into the howled chorus.
Every vocal inflection in that song reinforces the idea that the person singing it is really fucking pissed and slightly unbalanced, which also plays to the pathos of the situation (teen girl in a relationship with a much older dude who gets dumped penning a hate letter to her ex). This also fits in with the awkwardness of the lyrics, which veer from self-pitying purple prose (aforementioned cross line) to prosaic, straightforward venom ("Every time I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it" oh btw this crazy person is going to be taking the fallout of this relationship out on everyone else she gets with; kudos exploitative dude).
Alanis has done some really stupid, shitty songs but "You Oughta Know" isn't one of them.
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
Has this come up yet?
http://brunching.com/alanislyrics.html
― Look at how funky he is! (jer.fairall), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:37 (eleven years ago) link
yeah "You Oughta Know" for all its faults did make a lot of her tics that seemed so dippy on later upbeat singles feel like part and parcel of that song's rage at the time
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
I'll admit that I'm not really that fussy about singers accenting normally unaccented syllables for the sake of music (e.g. Avril's "frustrated).
I guess I was just surprised that people found the pronunciation of "theatre" odd.
xpost to myself
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
I wrote an Alanis song! Thanks, Jer.
I feel miserableRice make me illI feel miserable Forks tear at my foundationsI feel miserableSpoons are dragging me down to the depths of miseryI want to die
Is it because of pinto beans that I feel this way?With the yellow rays of misery pounding on my brain?Or am I lost in tale of Keats, adrift far from homeI don't think so, I don't think so.
YPatrck Broke My Will to LiveYPatrck Broke My Will to LiveYPatrck Broke My Will to LiveI was getting better but thenYPatrck Broke My Will to Live
I feel miserableAvocados rot the flesh from my bonesI feel miserable Tomatoes defeat my purposeI feel miserableGarlic cloves are doing their best to impale my soulI want to die
Is it because of pinto beans that I feel this way?With the yellow rays of misery pounding on my brain?Am I lost in tale of Keats, adrift far from homeI don't think so, I don't think so.
YPatrck Broke My Will to LiveYPatrck Broke My Will to LiveOh God, Patrck Broke My Will to LiveI was getting better but thenYPatrck Broke My Will to Live
― go down on you in a thyatrr (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
bitching about syllable emphasis in "You Oughta Know" makes about as much sense as bitching about syllable emphasis in the "O Fortuna" movement of Carmina Burana
― that is a weird thing to bring up over lean cuisine (DJP), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
i wrote an Alanis song from my son's perspective re: bath time
"Why"
Rubber duckies, shampoo, toy boatWhy God, Why?Shampoo, towel, bath timeWhy God, Why?
What have I done to deserve this red horror?Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of bath timeLike a Dr. Seuss character, I'm wordy and aloneWhy God, Why?
Drain plug, rubber duckies, waterWhy God, Why?Bath time, water, toy boatWhy God, Why?
What have I done to deserve this red disaster that is my life?Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of bath timeLike a Dr. Seuss character, I'm wordy and aloneWhy God, Why?
What have I done to deserve this red misery?Surrounded on all sides with the Hell of bath timeLike a Dr. Seuss character, I'm wordy and aloneWhy God, Why?
Why God, Why?Why God, Why?Why God, Why?Why God, Why?
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
The whole point of the first four lines is to communicate barely controlled, unhinged rage
i lol'd
― fauxmarc, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
Every vocal inflection in that song reinforces the idea that the person singing it is really fucking pissed and slightly unbalanced
yeah, we part ways hard here - you're a considerably better singer than I am, but every vocal inflection in this song reinforces how badly written the lyric is & how the singer isn't smart enough to know what to do about that imo. it doesn't convey pissed & unbalance to me - it conveys "maybe if I sell this as pissed & unbalanced by using rookie garbage technique like putting the wrong stress on the -by in 'baby,' that'll compensate for what a shitshow this is"
― cosi fan whitford (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
(Btw, thanks, J0hn! You rule too!)
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
not be all 'lol sheeple' but a lot of the millions of people who flocked to alanis when that song came out are probably just as dumb and musically/gramatically ignorant as her
― some dude, Thursday, 24 May 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link