Erykah Badu: C /D, S&D

Her attacking his wife is pretty lame.
Sonic Violence ‏@SonicViolence
lol @pitchforkmedia playin up this @waynecoyne and @fatbellybella shit. Really? Minutely updates? Yall are strapped for content.

19h ErykahBadoula ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella
@SonicViolence cause @pitchforkmedia and @waynecoyne are closer friends than @pitchforkmedia and @fatbellybella +Wayne's old ass needs this.

19h MichelleMartin-Coyne MichelleMartin-Coyne ‏@mzmartincoyne
Wayne has the ass of a 26 yr old&would never be 6hrs late for a shoot. @fatbellybella @sonicviolence @pitchforkmedia @waynecoyne

18h ErykahBadoula ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella
@mzmartincoyne hi was wondering when u were gonna sober up and say somethin.your husbands an ass and u know it-tell the truth.Do not lie.

18h MichelleMartin-Coyne MichelleMartin-Coyne ‏@mzmartincoyne
Love the video!think you&your sister are stunning!Your track is my favorite! I'm a lover not a fighter @fatbellybella http://pic.twitter.com/7kICNuLW

18h ErykahBadoula ErykahBadoula ‏@fatbellybella
@mzmartincoyne all good.

We are all just rubberneckers.

Because, in direct violation of the agreement they made when she and her sister agreed to do the video, she was not granted a viewing or a say on a video that contains naked shots of both her sister and herself before it was blasted out to the public?

If the beef was just "you picked my shitty vocal" you would have a halfway defensible point, but in what universe is the person who said "so you are comfortable doing this video, we will show you the video so you can give input on it before it goes out there... *waits for door to close* *uploads to Pitchfork* *snickers on Twitter*" the more professional person here?

OTM x 1 million

uh it looks like coyne's wife got involved first

Basically Erykah Badu is being needlessly vindictive and Wayne & his wife are trying to be positive/cute about the whole situation. Of course if you think the Lips are brain dead hippies and Badu is a deep artist, then...

Eh, I'm tired of thinking about this. Gonna leave this thread. Most of you guys are siding with EB anyways, which I really don't understand. Have fun the rest of the day with this.

EB got what she wants, the video was taken down, like a week or so after it was uploaded, retweeted by her, commented on by her fans, etc. Now she is using the opportunity to trash talk this guy.

Dudes they had already taken it down before the whole rant!

Good thing it was retracted before it started floating around the internet so that no one will ever, ever see it.

I know that when I'm trying to be positive and cute about a touchy subject, I say things like:

Wayne has the ass of a 26 yr old&would never be 6hrs late for a shoot. @fatbellybella @sonicviolence @pitchforkmedia @waynecoyne

Next time, Adam, just post "D" re: thread title and be done with it.

"positive/cute"!!!!!!! gtfo with that twee hippie bs

Good thing it was retracted before it started floating around the internet so that no one will ever, ever see it.

Maybe if Badu hated the video so much she shouldn't have been retweeting about it for the past week!

bye yall have fun at your serious art integrity party

Rangers v Celtic

Have "fun" listening to Flaming Lips' Justin Bieber slowed down 800 percent jamz.

lol wait was EB tweeting links to the vid w/out having watched it? #confused

heh fair number of posters itt seem to be p biased here huh

i like both badu's and coyne's music and they both come off like morons here. -30-

Don't cloud the issues like that.

there might be a p different ilx convo happening if a flaming lips thread was revived first

i'm just gonna throw it out there that this old white dude using black womens' bodies for publicity is extra icky

Yeaaaahhhh...I'm not touching that comment with a ten foot pole.

i like both badu's and coyne's music and they both come off like morons here.

This is absolutely right.

Old white dude is whopping ten years older than Badu.

once again i have go to ONTD for my faith in humanity to be restored. the kids there get it http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/69533898.html

i'm just gonna throw it out there that this old white dude using black womens' bodies for publicity is extra icky

tbf he's used bodies of all ages and races, including his own, to get publicity in reason years.

but besides that, i like both badu's and coyne's music and they both come off like morons here.

ugh ONTD is one of the most vacuous corners of the whole internet.

Coyne brings to mind The Genius of the Crowd by Charles Bukowski. '..and the best at hate are those who preach love'.

The controversy over the video is a bit of a storm in a tea cup really but I do like both of them artists so feel that it's a shame the collaboration is musically so mediocre. Time was when I would have been desperate to hear this... but it's a bit... pshhhhh.

Sorry to hear that a cover of a 40+ year-old cover of a song (that was already 20+ years old when Roberta Flack covered it) isn't miiiiiindblowingly raaaaaadical enough for some people. I think it's a really nice logical progression of Flack's version, which was already slow and expansive and had somewhat of a narcotic quality to it. I love her version so much, and these folks have done all right by it, imho.

I agree with you 100%. Time was when this collaboration would have promised more than nice.

song is okay, not great. more ambient than pop, but that's a reasonable approach afaic. the video is (was) rather sexy, but not particularly interesting beyond that.

sad to read about the ensuing blow-up, but it's hard not to side with EB. if she was supposed to approve the vid before it was published, and wasn't allowed to and felt violated by the leaked version, then she's in the right - period, regardless of other issues.

"miiiiiindblowingly raaaaaadical" would be one thing, but competent would be nice?

^

yep

i'm just gonna throw it out there that this old white dude using black womens' bodies for publicity is extra icky

Truly amazing.

Why? A video in which the men are clothed and get to look dignified while the women are naked hyper-sexualised doesn't strike you as icky? Quite frankly I'm fine with uploading nude material without the subject's consent being a criminal offense.

First of all, nobody looks "dignified" in that video. Regardless, Erykah Badu and The Flaming Lips collaborated on a music video where she, and/or her twin sister, sit nude in a tub and cover themselves with glitter, blood, and semen. As has been established, we DON'T KNOW the context of this fight. Talking about it as a question of consent is borderline irresponsible. My real groan, though, was at Lex's racial angle, which - with its suggestion of one-sided exploitation - is cheaper and more tawdry than anything either of the artists have engaged in.

Re-read what you just wrote. Nobody looks dignified in the video. But I'll focus on describing the two women sitting nude in a tub and covering themselves with glitter, blood and semen.

And discussing it as a question of consent isn't borderline irresponsible, it's what this entire thing is about. This is what Badu alleges, and this is what Coyne concedes. That isn't Lex's only angle and hardly worth belatedly quoting as if it was immediately obvious that Lex's point was ludicrous. And the idea that Lex's comment is cheaper and more tawdry than that video is laughable.

What I want to know is where they got all that semen.

I think that you finding the idea that Lex's comment is cheaper and more tawdry than that video laughable laughable. We'll all laugh about this someday! Except for that racist rapist. Lock 'im up!

Hmmm that's not what Lex said

No, you're right. The cheap and tawdry last part of my post was about a lot of posts. But this old white dude using black womens' bodies for publicity is just some flat out bullshit.

How is that not what Coyne is doing?

Jesus Christ. My issue is with the racial angle in that post, and what it implies, which is unfounded and ugly. And if there's exploitation at play here, it's *overwhelmingly* mutual.

how so?

I don't know either party's motivation for collaborating, but can't imagine it was ever a cynical move (I mean, she says "I have not one need for publicity. I just love artistic dialogue" in her posts). Before this whole thing, both Erykah and Wayne were Tweeting things about admiring each other's work. But both always stood to gain from the collaboration itself (as both have gained from the ensuing drama). This isn't some Linda Lovelace/Ordeal thing - the issue is over the final cut of the video, and we still don't know the actual circumstances surrounding that.

that's nonsense, mr. galt. they both chose to work together on a song and video. while a cynic might choose to call that "mutual exploitation", it's probably more reasonable to simply describe it as artistic collaboration.

wayne made an x-rated video and seems to have dumped his "director's cut" to the internet without first consulting his collaborators, something he had allegedly promised to do. that's the act of one-sided exploitation alleged here: that wayne chose viral shit-stirring over respectful treatment of his partners in art, women who'd obviously put a lot of trust in him. if the semblances and allegations here are true, then wayne exploited and betrayed his collaborators in order to generate "buzz". the race and gender issues involved only make his actions seem all the more slimy.

"nonsense" directed at your previous post. that last one more or less squares with my take on this.

do agree that we don't really know what's going here.

I really think people need to sit with the whole "race and gender" aspect of this for a while. Give it a good, long think. Consider whether that's a can of worms that you really think needs to be opened in this conversation. And then come back here and discuss those reasoned concerns when you've had, like, a week of nights to sleep on them.

that's nonsense, mr. galt. they both chose to work together on a song and video. while a cynic might choose to call that "mutual exploitation", it's probably more reasonable to simply describe it as artistic collaboration.

I totally agree with this! And the part about not really knowing what's going on here, which means I can't even sign on for things like wayne chose viral shit-stirring over respectful treatment of his partners in art, and especially not so confidently that I might also aggressively accuse the guy of anything sexist or racist. We have her rant, which has a bunch of weird contradictory stuff in it when taken with her Tweets, and we have Wayne's creepy RTing-everything policy. We don't know the story!!!!!