New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

I assume (s)he knows apple is run by a man with his/her son's approximate degree of homosexness

i'm not sure what whining you're hearing elvis but the two things i'm hearing are

The main contention points I was reading were the usual ones leftover from the MacBook Air. Non-socketed RAM, inability to replace HD.

-- not being able to upgrade the hard disk above 256 gb w/o also upgrading the cpu is silly.

The CPU is not replaceable on the current MBPs. Not sure why this is a contention point now.

Also, I'm not a gamer so FPS times are kinda lost on me. I spent most of my time in Xcode, Coda, and Logic these days.

do people really upgrade laptop CPUs? I find this harder to believe than ... that CL post.

not so many pc gamers on macbooks anyway. it's for sure a compromise re the range of stuff you can play. but some of the bigger games (like blizzard stuff) come out on both so if you really love mac, you can get some of your fix on it.

i'm sorry that was unclear elvis

what i was saying was that the 2.3 ghz rmbp is only available w a 256 gb SSD. if you elect to buy a 2.3 ghz rmbp you are stuck w a 256 gb ssd

if you want the 512 gb ssd (which i do) then you also have to also pay extra for the 2.6 ghz model (which i don't need), which then gives you the option (in the apple store) to upgrade the SSD as well

i agree w you about fps for the most part as i am not a big gamer. i mainly do indesign and illustrator and several different music things and a wee bit of video and photo things.

it just strikes me as odd that they'd underpower the gpu like that

it just strikes me as odd that they'd underpower the gpu like that

I suspect Apple is simply catering to the buying patterns of their customers. It's been awhile since I really got into the sales numbers, but I'll bet there's a big group of people who just want the shiny at the lowest price possible (but not too low) and another big group of people who just want whatever the most expensive thing is.

Based on all the whining about the end of the 17" MBP, you would think that it's sales were good but they weren't - under 2% of all of Apple's laptop sales. I have a feeling that BTO sales aren't that much higher. Would love to know...

gaming performance tradeoffs discussed in the Verge's review.

I don't know a ton about graphics cards but I assume sticking a GPU in there that could run brand-new games at the full resolution *and* 60fps would not meet Apple's power consumption, noise, and form factor goals.

i think that's probably accurate re: cheapskates vs spendies but i still think its offensive i can't get a bigger ssd w/o also shelling out for the cpu.

it's nonsensical but i guess that's how the car market works too (gotta get leather if you want the moonroof and six disc changer)

what's a bto?

what's a bto?

Bachman Turner Overdrive

also Build-To-Order

:)

silby you're obviously otm here but in that case i'd figure apple would wait a bit before implementing the retina display and form factor at the same time

i dunno i guess i'm still living in an imaginary world where apple is trying to make the best product possible as opposed to billions of dollars

i have nothing but contempt for people who walk into the apple store and back out w a computer like its buying a latte at starbucks

give me bto or give me death!!

hahaha

laptop GPUs are almost always going to be a compromise? fanboys have attacked the apple GPU for being underpowered vis-a-vis a windows gaming laptop... but those windows gaming laptops don't get 7 hours.

but hey, two thundrbolt ports! I'm sure some company will make an external absurdly powerful vid card for the RMBP if the demand really exists.

"gaming laptops" usually are more a clusterfuck than a compromise imo

i hear that those alienware laptops are nice for gaming

I bet they load Excel really fast too

microsoft software on my macbook is just the worst. takes like ten minutes to open, gums up all the works...

ok ok you've convinced me the gpu thing is a canard.

still pissed about ssd scheme and having to shell out for pricey apple memory

sscheme

SShaDy

On the bright side, the memory actually is attached HARDCORE so the diff in price makes some sense

On the down side, there's the ridiculous Apple price premium attached to it regardless

what do you mean "attached"?

no one has answered my question about how much that amount of RAM would cost to upgrade yourself

http://www.datamemorysystems.com/_memory-information/DM50_229-1_x_2.asp

$160+shipping

not as crazy a markup as they used to do, thats for sure

troo

computing

I mean "attached" as in they solder it to the logic board

rip it off

http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-with-Retina-Display-Teardown/9462/1#.T9oARbVYuRK

Basically, they're manufacturing the logic boards with the memory attached, same as the disk controllers and all that stuff

not without my solder

is that good? i thought that was bad!

ya why is that a feature

idk, memory connectors and blah blah space inside laptop who knows

:|

I've had bad memory fuck up a computer before. So if you get bad memory here, instead of simple swap you've got to have major parts replaced - do not like.

kind of thinking that they ran the stats on how often memory fails versus logic board versus the amount of time troubleshooting user-installed memory or issues with removable memory

I think you're most getting fucked on ability to add memory, not on anything else

the memory is not a big deal to me the way the SSD pricing is

i've had my logic board replaced twice in 2 months

their logic boards time me up and replace me

what do you ppl do to your computers

what do you ppl do to your computers

Speaking only for myself, it's my primary source of income - I'm on it at least 7-8 hours a day coding, then at home it's a television, recording studio, movie theater, etc. etc. It's been to three continents and who knows how many plane, bus, taxi trips.

i just never seem to have hardware problems with my computers

maybe it does have something to do with how much you move them around/fiddle with them? this imac is basically stationary and i only interact with it to turn it off or to plug in/unplug the headphones. i did move around my old macbook a bit but that was mostly around the house, around campus, or to and from places on campus or to and from home when it was in the car

the only thing that's been done to this imac as far as i know was a ram upgrade

it depends how often you put it in your backpack w/o a protective shell, and in my particular case how often you fall asleep with it in bed and then throw off the covers when you wake up, flinging it across the room.