the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

Yeah i don't care what you say, dude's buying elections, therefore he's a piece of shit.

Yeah, I feel the same way. Regardless of whether or not he's on "sound ethical ground" (and I'm dubious), he's knowingly pushing toward a future where the election has turned into the 2016 Tostitoshttp://help.adobe.com/en_US/FrameMaker/8.0/images/trademark.png Soros V. Adelson Rich Guy Throwdown, complete with other rich tall guys serving as the avatars for the other rich tall guys. Yeah, we're already there anyway pretty much, but what a fucking asshole

Also, it's worth thinking about how we would be reacting if it was Soros/Democrats who were the subject of the article, instead.

What irks me isn't so much his position on rich men buying elections, though surely such a staunch republican knows the perils this engenders, it's that he's a friggin' gambling magnate.

so, um, our president's speech today was pretty good, I must say.

he's good at the speechifyin

he's a friggin' gambling magnate

p. sure you mean job creator -- in macau, anyway

while i think the citizens united ruling is bullshit, no matter how much money sheldon adelson gives him, i am not going to vote for romney.

adelson is not buying the election, he's buying the airwaves. that the two things correlate so heavily is at least as big a problem.

they don't correlate very highly when obama and romney are going to be on the airwaves 24/7 regardless

I hope they so oversaturate the airwaves they erase their names form the minds of the populace.

"Mitt who? Barak Obama? Excuse me, I think you gave me a joke ballot. I only recognize one name, and that's Rosanne Barr."

x-post -- press corps grumbles Obama's speech was too long (54 minutes)

http://politicker.com/2012/06/president-obamas-speech-gets-a-thumbs-down-from-political-press-corps/

Washington Monthly guy notes:

obviously anyone who doesn’t like Obama could easily find something to diss (several of my progressive acquaintances just completely lose it every time Obama refers to deficit reduction, ever).

so, um, our president's speech today was pretty good, I must say

waiting for the transcript of the one at sarah Jessica & Matthew's house

huh so i guess there's a more appropriate thread for this but woah: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/16/us/us-to-stop-deporting-some-illegal-immigrants.html?hp

Uh, don't read the comments on that article.

DJGDoylestown
Good, less tax dollars wasted on police harassing people. Now let's stop the police harassment for marijuana and really move into the 21st century.

the stopping deportations thing is like his gay marriage "evolution" - ultimately a good thing policy-wise, and at the same time transparently, cravenly cynical election-year maneuver to shore up the base

like, he could have done either at any time - thanks for making everybody wait 4 years

Delay You Can Believe In

Forward... in a little while

isn't that an OMD single

Hilarious Times headline "US to Stop Deporting Some Immigrants."

Obama is going to deliver so many baby-step goodies in 2016, u guys

Breaking: DHS to Relax Immigration Policy for Youth Illegal Immigrants

wow

Obama is going to deliver so many baby-step goodies in 2016, u guys

nah. what's he going to be running for in 2016?

maybe prez if he loses this time

And as a matter of executive power, officials said, it could be reversed by a future administration's fiat.

wonder if mitt's gonna run on reversal

of course he is

i would imagine so. but it does put him in kind of a spot, though, right? in that the most diplomatic critique to make of this is that it's executive overreach, rather than specifically that non-amnesty work permits for the young are invariably wrong. running on repeal at a time when he's courting hispanic voters would seem to bump him into another category or make an issue out of something that currently sits fairly nebulously & vaguely, on account of the state all of the DREAM-lite legislation's in.

Immigrants have accounted for new business start-ups well over their population percentage in the US. So basically any hate you hear about this is placing racial hatred above economic & patriotic prosperity.

that's what the GOP base wants

sad to read that jose antonio vargas is 31

if you look into this, it's not even that big of a deal

it takes a small subset of children whose parents brought them to america before they had any choice in the matter, and who grew up here culturally and economically, and who are productively participating in our economy and unlike their parents not likely sending most of their $$$ back to mexico, and also paying more than their share of taxes and getting less than their share of social services

and

-- doesn't give them amnesty
-- doesn't give them immunity
-- doesn't give them any new paths toward citizenship

-- just gives FIVE PERCENT of illegal immigrants about two years to get work permits w/o wasting taxpayer money and resources to deport some high school and college students who are basically not really at fault

A Study in Contrasts

FOX News Latino (there is such a thing?):

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/foxnewslatino-20120615-immigration.jpg

FOX Nation:

http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/foxnation-20120615-immigration.jpg

if you look into this, it's not even that big of a deal

it takes a small subset of children whose parents brought them to america before they had any choice in the matter, and who grew up here culturally and economically, and who are productively participating in our economy and unlike their parents not likely sending most of their $$$ back to mexico, and also paying more than their share of taxes and getting less than their share of social services

and

-- doesn't give them amnesty
-- doesn't give them immunity
-- doesn't give them any new paths toward citizenship

-- just gives FIVE PERCENT of illegal immigrants about two years to get work permits w/o wasting taxpayer money and resources to deport some high school and college students who are basically not really at fault

― the late great, Friday, June 15, 2012 5:44 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that it's something is good, though. it's brutal to see this kinda thing just killed by the fact of congress. dictatorial incremental progress is at least something, even just as a statement of belief in it being necessary.

if you look into this, it's not even that big of a deal

in fariness, this is verbatim the Democratic party's platform

generating more heat than light since 1800

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5hbggQbZl1r858keo1_500.png

Douchecanoe reporter for Tucker Carlon's Daily Caller interrupts president during press conference rather than wait for question time, then tries to get into an argument with him.

cool news story

lol k3v

Update: The Daily Caller tweets they are “proud” of their reporter.

Late Update: Neil Munro says he mistimed his question to Obama.

lol what a choad

it wasn't a mistake, it was a mistime

i'm just saying it's hardly worth the conservative outrage we're seeing

believe me, i support the decision

oh sure yeah I didn't think you were unimpressed or anything, just saying, in the absence of anyone else rolling out banners

it's hardly worth the conservative outrage

It isn't the substance they are "outraged" over, but the symbolism they can attach to it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-picks-john-kerry-to-play-romney-in-mock-debate-rehearsals/2012/06/18/gJQABEctlV_story.html

haha?

I hope they leak some video of it at some point.

I wonder how much Kerry is reading into this. "We tried to get Two-Face from Batman, John, but turns out he's fictional. We do appreciate this."

Two-Face is the purported head of the GOP.

Road Trip Helps Romney Brush Up on Banter
By ASHLEY PARKER

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/19/us/politics/road-trip-helps-romney-brush-up-on-banter.html?hp

The NY Times covers the important issues--Romney on Wawa, delis and getting hoagies.

MSNBC earlier covered Romney pointing at a donut and saying I will have one of those uh things.