http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_06/the_fleeting_chris_christie_mo037995.php
Willie Hortons in NJ under Christie?
― curmudgeon, Monday, 18 June 2012 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
New Christie theme song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2BqLlVHlWA
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Monday, 18 June 2012 16:09 (eleven years ago) link
Discussed earlier, but this is a nice summation:
if it's good policy to affirm the right of loving couples to marry and allow blameless DREAMers to remain in the U.S. in June 2012, wasn't it good policy in June 2010 as well? If the Obama Administration is doing this in order to shore up base support for its own reelection bid, why did it not do likewise to preserve Democratic Congressional majorities in 2010?
There's another disturbing point here: all of these moves are carefully calculated based on polling and focus groups. In order for the President to feel comfortable taking these stands, one of two things (or both) must be true: either the LGBT and Latino base is furious enough with the President to cost him his election, and/or those all-important "moderates" in swing states like Ohio must not care that badly about deporting DREAMers or letting gays get married.
If the former, how is it that the President wasn't aware of this problem earlier? It's been brewing for years. If the latter, why take more centrist stands in the first place? And why not be unafraid to lead in any case?
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/06/moving-to-left-for-general-election-by.html
― curmudgeon, Monday, 18 June 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
i think the answer is that these are issues that divide the GOP (or at least romney from some of his bases) as much as democrats, if not moreso
― goole, Monday, 18 June 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
Just wondering, was any legislation passed at all during that "Obama comes out for gay marriage" bit? Or was it just a nice TV sound bite?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Monday, 18 June 2012 17:08 (eleven years ago) link
nope.
― goole, Monday, 18 June 2012 17:09 (eleven years ago) link
electioneering
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 June 2012 17:11 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ idea of legislation (about anything) passing
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 June 2012 17:20 (eleven years ago) link
http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2012/06/18/white-house-democrats-still-have-no-health-care-plan-b-for-supreme-court-decision/
So neither side has a plan.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 18 June 2012 19:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/06/chart-why-liberals-lose-primaries-more-often-conservatives
― goole, Monday, 18 June 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
i.e. there are more wingnuts than faux-liberals
― old people are made of poop (Eric H.), Monday, 18 June 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
I have pointed this out 1000x times
there is only so much you can hope for when you share a democracy w/ tens of millions of insane people
― iatee, Monday, 18 June 2012 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
the trendlines between "liberals" and "moderates" within the democrats were surprising to me tbh
― goole, Monday, 18 June 2012 20:29 (eleven years ago) link
Koch money and the vast right-wing echo chamber solidify support for their views, there is less money and less folks staying on message in the liberal political world
― curmudgeon, Monday, 18 June 2012 21:02 (eleven years ago) link
Depressing.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link
we don't like staying on message
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
what does a "liberal republican" even look like in 2012? bloomberg?
― cissymanwhore (k3vin k.), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
Mitt Romney
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:22 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/administration-official/ao_image/President_Official_Portrait_HiRes.jpg
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
i assume the people who identify as liberal republicans are part of the 3-5% noise in any survey that should be discounted (i.e., accidentally answered that way, actually a child who picked up the phone, stoners, total fools, etc)
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
oh, and barack obama
― Mad God 40/40 (Z S), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
Al Franken
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:25 (eleven years ago) link
what do you have against Franken morbz
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
Ulysses S. Grant
― goole, Monday, 18 June 2012 21:26 (eleven years ago) link
(genuinely curious - he seems to have kept his head down in the Senate afaict?)
xp
you mean Horace Greeley, right, goole?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 June 2012 21:28 (eleven years ago) link
well today i bet they'd put their diffs behind them and get together with tip o'neill to craft a fine tax reform/let's not take over cuba by force bill
― goole, Monday, 18 June 2012 21:31 (eleven years ago) link
One of the few name-recognition Democrats among people who don't vote or protest?
― old people are made of poop (Eric H.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 01:19 (eleven years ago) link
Is Al Franken on your lawn, Morbs?
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 13:53 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sure the answer includes the words "Israel" and "AIPAC."
― Julie Derpy (Phil D.), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link
he's just a lockstep Clintonite. And as Bill himself said (acc to Bob Woodward), he was an Eisenhower Republican.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2012/05/which-republican-are-you.html
That wraps up cogently -- "the story of Election 2012: A Bush Republican versus a Bonkers Republican."
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/233389-senate-dems-balk-at-ending-bush-tax-rates-for-wealthy
How do you define these 7 Senate Dems
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
road kill
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
"acting in a non-surprising manner," is how i'd define them.
of the lot of them, at least Jim Webb made an interesting point -- that if we were really serious about making the 1% pay their fair share, then we'd get rid of preferential tax treatment of capital gains and tax them at the same rate as regular income. though that's kind of disingenuous in that that proposal isn't the one on the table right now.
― kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
The most tempting option for some Democrats would be to extend the Bush tax rates temporarily to give Congress more time to work on a broader deal, which is what congressional Republican leaders have proposed.
get a brain morans
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Well if it's only temporary...
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
obv some of these guys are stupid but I don't doubt that another few use negotiation as a cover story: in other words these Dems really do believe in preserving the tax cuts.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
also some of them are running this year or in 2014! gabbnebization in full effect.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Webb (one of my Dem Virginia Senators who is a moderate on some issues and off on his own on other issues) is retiring and therefore if he really believed that capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as earned income, he could draft a bill or show even more courage and support getting rid of these tax cuts AND raising the capital gains rate. But he's not gonna do any of this--he's being disengenuous as noted
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:05 (eleven years ago) link
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/jamie-dimon-jpmorgan-barney-frank-wall-street-jpmorgan.php?ref=fpb
House Dems asked Dimon tougher questions (not that it will make any difference)
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:18 (eleven years ago) link
Morbz is that a Franklin Pangborn ref in your dn?
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:23 (eleven years ago) link
WHAT a question!
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsP/13372.gif
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 June 2012 21:30 (eleven years ago) link
TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) — The Ohio congressional candidate known as "Joe the Plumber" suggested in a campaign video that German gun controls contributed to deaths during the Holocaust because Jews didn't have firearms to defend themselves.
The comments quickly drew strong rebukes from Democrats and Jewish organizations.
In the video, Samuel Wurzelbacher loads a shotgun and fires at pieces of fruit placed on wooden posts. "In 1939, Germany established gun control," he says. "From 1939 to 1945, six million Jews and seven million others, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated," he says before ending the video by saying "I love America."
Gun control opponents have long held that Adolf Hitler was able to seize power in Germany in part because of controls on firearms.
Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern said the video was "incredibly offensive." He called on Republicans and Democrats to condemn "the despicable actions of this very desperate man."
"Using the memories of the six million Jews killed in the Holocaust to make a political point is never appropriate, under any circumstances," said David A. Harris, president of the National Jewish Democratic Council.
Wurzelbacher defended his statements on Twitter, posting Tuesday that he did not say that gun control caused genocide.
He is running as a Republican in Ohio's 9th U.S. House district, which stretches from Toledo to Cleveland. Wurzelbacher became known as "Joe the Plumber" after questioning Barack Obama about his economic policies during the 2008 presidential campaign.
― omar little, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:23 (eleven years ago) link
http://mojoe.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/20/12320497-harry-reid-channels-bryce-harper-thats-a-clown-question-bro?lite
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 18:49 (eleven years ago) link
congressional staff need to be banned from twitter
― goole, Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:00 (eleven years ago) link
OTM
― Victory Chainsaw! (DJP), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:01 (eleven years ago) link
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
Joe not only gets the year wrong (1938) but he fails to acknowledge that the real draconian anti-gun laws were passed in the wake of Germany's WWI defeat, that the Nazi legislation was still remarkably lax wrt to rifles and shotguns (not pistols) and that anybody who thinks that a popular uprising to save the ppl in the camps in '42 would have led anywhere but the camps is smoking some ueberkrak.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:51 (eleven years ago) link
Also Hitler gained control in '33 after a successful election which led to a coup tolerated by the elites and it's not like those Socialist gangs weren't liable to scrap with NSDAP thugs. It's errant nonsense but then what else should I expect from a guy who's apparently unclear on his very name.
― Love Max Ophüls of us all (Michael White), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:53 (eleven years ago) link
has the current administration proposed any new gun control laws? what am i missing here
― that's why Love made the weirdos (brownie), Wednesday, 20 June 2012 19:55 (eleven years ago) link