Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

The most tempting option for some Democrats would be to extend the Bush tax rates temporarily to give Congress more time to work on a broader deal, which is what congressional Republican leaders have proposed.

get a brain morans

Well if it's only temporary...

obv some of these guys are stupid but I don't doubt that another few use negotiation as a cover story: in other words these Dems really do believe in preserving the tax cuts.

also some of them are running this year or in 2014! gabbnebization in full effect.

Webb (one of my Dem Virginia Senators who is a moderate on some issues and off on his own on other issues) is retiring and therefore if he really believed that capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as earned income, he could draft a bill or show even more courage and support getting rid of these tax cuts AND raising the capital gains rate. But he's not gonna do any of this--he's being disengenuous as noted

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/jamie-dimon-jpmorgan-barney-frank-wall-street-jpmorgan.php?ref=fpb

House Dems asked Dimon tougher questions (not that it will make any difference)

Morbz is that a Franklin Pangborn ref in your dn?

WHAT a question!

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsP/13372.gif

TOLEDO, Ohio (AP) — The Ohio congressional candidate known as "Joe the Plumber" suggested in a campaign video that German gun controls contributed to deaths during the Holocaust because Jews didn't have firearms to defend themselves.

The comments quickly drew strong rebukes from Democrats and Jewish organizations.

In the video, Samuel Wurzelbacher loads a shotgun and fires at pieces of fruit placed on wooden posts. "In 1939, Germany established gun control," he says. "From 1939 to 1945, six million Jews and seven million others, unable to defend themselves, were exterminated," he says before ending the video by saying "I love America."

Gun control opponents have long held that Adolf Hitler was able to seize power in Germany in part because of controls on firearms.

Ohio Democratic Party Chairman Chris Redfern said the video was "incredibly offensive." He called on Republicans and Democrats to condemn "the despicable actions of this very desperate man."

"Using the memories of the six million Jews killed in the Holocaust to make a political point is never appropriate, under any circumstances," said David A. Harris, president of the National Jewish Democratic Council.

Wurzelbacher defended his statements on Twitter, posting Tuesday that he did not say that gun control caused genocide.

He is running as a Republican in Ohio's 9th U.S. House district, which stretches from Toledo to Cleveland. Wurzelbacher became known as "Joe the Plumber" after questioning Barack Obama about his economic policies during the 2008 presidential campaign.

http://mojoe.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/06/20/12320497-harry-reid-channels-bryce-harper-thats-a-clown-question-bro?lite

congressional staff need to be banned from twitter

OTM

congressional staff need to be banned from twitter

Joe not only gets the year wrong (1938) but he fails to acknowledge that the real draconian anti-gun laws were passed in the wake of Germany's WWI defeat, that the Nazi legislation was still remarkably lax wrt to rifles and shotguns (not pistols) and that anybody who thinks that a popular uprising to save the ppl in the camps in '42 would have led anywhere but the camps is smoking some ueberkrak.

Also Hitler gained control in '33 after a successful election which led to a coup tolerated by the elites and it's not like those Socialist gangs weren't liable to scrap with NSDAP thugs. It's errant nonsense but then what else should I expect from a guy who's apparently unclear on his very name.

has the current administration proposed any new gun control laws? what am i missing here

you're missing a stupid white dude dog-whistling to his constiuents

jesus the fema camps are right in front of your face people wake up

cannot wait for his crushing defeat in november

WOLVERINES

first we take Toledo...

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/02/04/timestopics/peacekeepers_395.jpg

you're missing a stupid white dude dog-whistling to his constiuents

This is possible but it's also just gun-nut whistling, akin to the ppl who conflate Socialists and National-Socialists.

nut whistling

more whistling:

Rush Limbaugh today to a caller frustrated by the slow pace of Issa’s investigation into Holder: “You could, on the other hand, credit Issa for delaying this until an election year when more people are paying attention, when it’ll have more impact.”

from Salon.com

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/06/one-sided-war-against-obamacare

$235 million mostly all corporate ads against health care plan versus $69 million PSAs for health care from the Feds

Shocking, I know.

However the court comes down, most Americans are not likely to be happy with the result. In a poll released Monday, the Pew Research Center asked about all three scenarios and found that fewer than half of those surveyed would be satisfied with any of them.

The one that garnered the most support — at 44 percent — was throwing out the entire law. Upholding the entire law got the least, at 39 percent. And 40 percent said they would be in favor of striking only the most controversial aspect, which is a mandate requiring individuals who do not receive coverage from their employers or the government to buy it from private insurance companies, or pay a fine.

insane

We are a stupid, stupid country.

It doesn't help that Obama treats his signature achievement like a leper.

^^^

still can't believe how badly they fucked that up with the SC

the actual legislation itself is a mess (what with various provisions not kicking in til years down the road, to say nothing of the lack of single payer etc.) but yeah the way the Dems marketed and sold this was a disaster, so fucking stupid.

We've read a bunch of stories published in newspapers in the last few months about the millions of 18-15 year olds with insurance and their grateful parents. The least the president can do is acknowledge it.

The one that garnered the most support — at 44 percent — was throwing out the entire law

just mystifying

The Dems' circular logic ("It's not popular therefore we can't discuss it") is so maddening.

in the end i wonder if the public doesn't have a basically accurate attitude toward "obamacare": it was pretty half-assed for all the usual depressing reasons

(@alfred): it actually gets me in the mindset of the "long game" talk people used to do - do they have something up their sleeves for the campaign, maybe? (no.) it's like watching a movie where there's a lot of tension-building music but the actual action is just one guy sitting at a table not going to the stove, where a kettle is whistling

the way the Dems marketed and sold this was a disaster

I don't think they even tried to market it, after it passed.

it actually gets me in the mindset of the "long game" talk people used to do

O's "long game" was to foment dissent within the GOP ranks and encourage the fringe right to come to the fore. which happened.

here's another example

GOP would just eliminate the EPA altogether, if they had their way.

oops gettin my politics threads mixed up

O's "long game" was to foment dissent within the GOP ranks and encourage the fringe right to come to the fore. which happened.

i don't believe this for a second

no obamacare decision today. maybe monday! get hype!

there was all the stuff about Limbaugh, converting Arlen Specter, goading the right-wing about the birther stuff, there are a lot of little things that made it clear this was their goal

xp

well, I'm glad their goal of really getting the fringe to expose itself has resulted in so many restrictions on reproductive rights in state houses across the country! well done, long game

yeah I think they've run into some unintended consequences lol

like it works as an election strategy to paint your opponent as a fringe lunatic (GOP did very well with this strategy for years) - kinda breaks down at the legislative level, unless you really break party unity and get some defectors, which obviously hasn't happened.

yeah I think they've run into some unintended consequences lol

I did irl lol here

O's "long game" was to foment dissent within the GOP ranks and encourage the fringe right to come to the fore. which happened.

If there was a long game, I do not think it was what you think it was.

ok UNO then.

NYU prof writing for The Guardian about why Republicans get the white working class non-college educated southern males with jobs vote. Hmmmm, looks a little too simplistic for me.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/05/why-working-class-people-vote-conservative?CMP=twt_gu

politics at the national level is more like religion than it is like shopping. It's more about a moral vision that unifies a nation and calls it to greatness than it is about self-interest or specific policies. In most countries, the right tends to see that more clearly than the left. In America the Republicans did the hard work of drafting their moral vision in the 1970s, and Ronald Reagan was their eloquent spokesman. Patriotism, social order, strong families, personal responsibility (not government safety nets) and free enterprise. Those are values, not government programmes.

The Democrats, in contrast, have tried to win voters' hearts by promising to protect or expand programmes for elderly people, young people, students, poor people and the middle class. Vote for us and we'll use government to take care of everyone! But most Americans don't want to live in a nation based primarily on caring. That's what families are for.